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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:41 PM
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LAT: Heidi Fleiss Plans a Brothel to Serve Women
Fleiss Plans a Brothel to Serve Women
The former Hollywood madam and a partner hope to open 'Heidi's Stud Farm' in Nevada.

By Shawn Hubler, Times Staff Writer


Former Hollywood madam Heidi Fleiss bid farewell to Los Angeles on Wednesday, and put out the word: She's looking for a few good men.

In a move bound to hearten aspiring Deuce Bigalows the world over, Fleiss said she is joining with a Nevada brothel owner to open the state's first house of prostitution in which men cater to women.

Fleiss, whose partner notified Nye County officials of the plan this week, said they will charge $250 an hour and call it "Heidi's Stud Farm."

"Women are more independent these days; they make more money and it's hard to meet people," Fleiss said as she packed for what she said would be a permanent move to Nevada....

***

The daughter of a Los Feliz pediatrician, Fleiss became notorious in the 1990s for running a prostitution ring catering to show business people and international businessmen. She eventually was convicted on charges of money laundering, pandering and tax evasion. She was released in 1999, after serving 21 months in prison....


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fleiss17nov17,0,7859699.story?coll=la-home-headlines
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:43 PM
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1. We've come a long way, baby!
yuck
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:44 PM
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2. I've always respected this woman
I could never understand what this woman did wrong. I think she is a very good entrepreneur. I wish the government would have left her alone.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:52 PM
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3. You're ONLY saying that because you're hoping that Fleiss
Offers you a job in her new "Stud Farm"...oh yes you do...don't deny it now :)
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:54 PM
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4. Hell yes!! Where can I pick up an application???
I hope employees are salaried. If I have to work for tips I will starve.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:59 PM
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6. If you have to work FOR tips...
...hey Madam Fleiss is going to expect you to work ON tips :)

Okay, I know one of THESE is in order...

:spank:


BlueStateGuy is probably appalled, he never gets my comments...he is, elusive, bless him.
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:08 AM
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7. Oy Vey!!
I ain't workin' on no tips!!!
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:13 AM
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11. Hey
You'll work on whatever part of the anatomy Madam Fleiss tells ya too!

:spank:

Okay, I admit, I need another one too

:spank:
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:13 AM
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12. I think we should have a DU pre-auditions
Want to start the organizing process......winner gets ^^(&*__
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:25 AM
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19. Driver8 doesn't audition. Don't you people realize that I will be
the star of Heidi Fleiss's stable of studs??
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:27 AM
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21. The star? Jaysus man...you're already jawing about not wanting to
WORK ON TIPS!

One more...I know I deserve it...SORRY for my terrible naughtiness, I CAN'T help it.

:spank:
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:47 AM
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28. You're right...where do I sign up for the auditions??
Uhm...exactly what happens at these "auditions"?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:56 AM
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33. Fab! What happens at the auditions?
Oh well...hey if I told you that, the thread would get locked ;)

I've been far too naughty already in my answers! What ya trying to get me arrested? :)
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:01 AM
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35. (Damn! She didn't fall for it!!) Uhm, no...I'm not trying to get you
arrested...honest.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:04 AM
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39. That's
Okay sweetie...I trust you :)
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:08 AM
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44. Ha! That's your first mistake!
You have a great sense of humor, by the way. :headbang:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:10 AM
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46. Drat and double drat
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 01:20 AM by ...of J.Temperance
I slipped up :cry:

Shucks, you like my humor...heck thanks :toast:


On Edit: Bluebear likes humor...it's a pity he missed some of my late-night material. He possibly would have liked it...or maybe not, depending...he might be all straight-laced or something.
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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:15 AM
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48. I'm proud...If we are going to have a star in our midst
can we we the FIRST to see?
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:27 AM
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53. Yes, NO problem
ALL auditions WILL be filmed...either in grainy black and white OR in full technicolor.

Okay, I KNOW...it's another one of these for moi.

:spank:

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serryjw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:30 AM
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55. I looked forward to it.........
a special screening would be fine
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:40 AM
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56. That can be arranged...no trouble ;) n/t
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:20 AM
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17. *cracking up*
:rofl:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:25 AM
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20. Ha!
Yeah...and bluestateguy is shy, he throws a rock and then runs away. Tut, typical of SOME men.

;-)
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:48 AM
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31. Yeah, typical! But not for all of us!!! n/t
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 12:48 AM by driver8
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:00 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. Oh but you're different
You're obviously an adventurous young man...you're fit for the "Stud Farm"

;)






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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:06 AM
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41. Yeah, but not so young anymore!
I turn 43 this Saturday...:nopity:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:08 AM
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43. Oh that's
Still young, don't be silly :)
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driver8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:10 AM
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45. Oh Bless you...bless you...
I don't feel old yet, but this birthday is hitting me hard for some reason. Maybe I am in the midst of a mid-life crisis. My wife told me I should have had my "crisis" before we had children...she won't let me have one now.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:16 AM
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49. Technically
You're not in mid-life though, you've got some time before you reach that point.

But you know, you can have a crisis at any time...in fact I had a crisis earlier this afternoon...so you see, that proves it. It doesn't matter if you're not in mid-life, a crisis is always around the corner.

I'm CONSTANTLY on Crisis Watch, it's the only sensible way to be :)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-17-05 11:55 PM
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5. Sounds fair.
Sure, why not?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:18 AM
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16. Ooo hunky men?
}( :9
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:28 AM
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22. Hey Mr. Fitzgerald's going to be awfully jealous :) n/t
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:47 AM
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29. LOL
Well can he sign up? ;)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:02 AM
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38. Would
You want Patrick to be serving other women though? I think not ;) He'd be better staying at home with you, nice and cozy.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:09 AM
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8. I guess this means I'll be coming out of retirement
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:10 AM
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9. LOL!
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atldem Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:12 AM
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10. Women rarely pay for it.
They don't have to.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:16 AM
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14. What about Karen Hughes and Ann Coulter 'eh? n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:01 AM
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36. the poster distinctly said "women"
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:29 AM
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54. *Slaps forehead*
You're right...silly me!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:15 AM
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13. To get serious for a second, I think, if this works for her, that it will
substantially change the whole "dynamic" of relationships between males and females. In a curious way, it could well level the "playing field" as it were--talk about real equality!!!

The 'pay to play' thing has always been regarded as a male perogative, and women have often been thought, by many (not all, but the paradigm exists) to not want a simple single sexual encounter, minus a relationship. Or not NEEDING to pay, because they can pick up some bum in a bar, with all his odd baggage.

But this concept enables a woman to pick, choose, and refuse, without any of the other nonsense, so long as she is willing to pay for value received, and she can demand a certain level of quality, as well. This is a long way from a woman waiting by the phone, because she could NEVER call a man, if she was a "good girl!"

Heidi may well be tapping into a heretofore unanswered, unvoiced, and unrecognized, demand. It will surely be interesting to see how it plays out.

And then, there's the franchising opportunities--a "Cathouse" series on HBO? Must-see TV???

The woman has guts, I will grant her that! And surely, she is standing by for some heavy controversy...

I'm guessing there will be a groundswell of outrage from the far right--the same types who are curiously silent about the prostitution issue when it comes to simply men as customers, and women as their willing servants!
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:23 AM
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18. No I do agree
And also as the poster below states, there have been establishments like this for men for...centuries...so I think it's long overdue that this was evened out and there were establishments for girls too who might want a bit of...mojo workin' goin' on.

I've always liked Heidi Fleiss, I never saw what the big deal was over the "Hollywood Madam" stuff...who cared only the Frigid Right-Wing.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:48 AM
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30. I agree
We women deserve to have a good time too if that is your type of thing.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:07 AM
Response to Reply #30
42. Society
Should be free of all taboos and all barriers, that's what I'm saying.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:16 AM
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50. Give me a break. The oldest profession in the world has NEVER
excluded men.

It's just entirely more discreet.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:17 AM
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58. Well, I've never heard of it as a standard practice, so it is new to me
This is the first time I have ever seen an organized business, a Cathouse, as it were, where female customers can go visit, do what they will, and leave.

I have heard of rent boys, who catered to men, and I have heard of gigolos, who cater to (in the films, anyway) aging actresses, but this is the first I have ever heard of a business, run by a madam, catering to women....

But hey, I don't get out much, or travel in trendy circles!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:17 AM
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15. This Could Rival The 100 Slap Approach
A friend owned a bar...he had a regular who would sit right next to the ladies room and throughout the night would ask women who were going to do their business if they'd like to do his business. He'd ask 100 women a night, 99 would slap him...all it took was one to say yes.

What's good for the goose is surely good for the gander. Why is it that men are so "special" to have such services available and not women?
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:32 AM
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24. Well, I would imagine that it might be an improvement over the
'Pig in a Poke' exercise...where a woman has to sort of guess what she might be getting if she picks up some fellow and wants a no-strings encounter. I would imagine Ms. Fleiss would have a menu of services, that would be priced accordingly. And surely, there would be a certain standard that must be met, else she won't get repeat customers or word-of-mouth trade.

This IS sure to cause scandal and RW outrage, though, because females are not supposed to be 'allowed' to make decisions of this nature. They are supposed to be obedient servants to their husbands, barefoot, pregnant, and up to their elbows in dishwater!

The controversy could get interesting!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:39 AM
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27. I Love The Concept
How arrogant is it to think that men are the only ones who should have these type of services. Isn't this capitalism and "pursuit of happiness"?

I'd love to see the wingnuts scream about this...and they will. It's truly circle jerk material for these losers as they not only have problems dealing with women, sex and human nature, but ya wanna bet a lot of those "church ladies" wouldn't mind a romp in the desert with a hunka hunka burnin' love? LOL.

Let the hypocrisies begin.

Cheers...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:20 AM
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52. Ah, the Enquirer scandals that might ensue!! Imagine the headlines!
Phyllis Schaffley photographed leaving brothel after Evening of Hot Love!!!

Lynne Cheney Said to Patronize Fleiss Bordello!!!

It's only a matter of time!!!
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:48 AM
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57. That's Cruel...I Love It!!!
:rofl:

In the late 70's I used to see Schafly driving around DeKalb, Illinois...we'd flip her off and she'd return the favor. Ah, those xtian values...turn the other bird. ROFL!

Now, the only better (worse) image would be Schaffley caught in leather with Janet Parshall...the wench who tried to take on Randi Rhodes on C-SPAN. Get out the mazola.

:rofl:

Cheers...
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:30 AM
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23. How about hiring out naked men to clean my house?
THAT I'd be willing to pay for!
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:33 AM
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25. It would not surprise me if you could find that type of service in large
cities, like NY, LA, or San Fran!!
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Nikki Stone 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:35 AM
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26. I haven't actually seen it here in LA
:(
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:17 AM
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51. I actually FOUND ONE for ya!!!
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/hss/112050985.html

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Withywindle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 12:53 AM
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32. It happens in other countries...
...when my mom was in Egypt a few years ago, among all the "guides" and drivers etc. who swarm around tourists (not always a bad deal--many of them are very knowledgeable) were a few men offering to introduce her to "strong," "handsome" young men.

Apparently there's a steady stream of wealthy European women who want a bit of an "escort," with all that implies, and they're there. This gigolo deal is not a strict cash exchange, she just picks up all the tabs for dinner and hotels and buys them "gifts," like nice watches and things. Mostly older women. (No, mom didn't take him up on it! She would never cheat on my dad just because he hates to travel and she goes alone. :D)

This brothel thing doesn't sound like a bad deal to me. As lots of people have pointed out, it's a hell of a lot safer than picking up some random dude in a bar. Might be a lousy lay. Might be a serial killer. Might give off really toxic farts in bed. You never know. If you can afford it, it'd good to have an actual professional with references and someone you can complain to if it's not a good experience.
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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:02 AM
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37. Good for her.
I've never had a problem with Heidi Fleiss. Or her profession.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:05 AM
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40. Her dad was my son's first pediatrician!
That got to be kind of embarrassing for both of us later on...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 01:13 AM
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47. But there are malls everywhere???
Why do women need to pay for it? It's like dragging a hotdog through the dog pound -all a woman needs to do is go to any mall, anywhere.

7-11 for that matter.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-18-05 08:26 AM
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59. This is a great idea
Edited on Fri Nov-18-05 08:28 AM by ohio_liberal
I have a feeling this will be very successful. Those of you who say women don't need to pay for it, I say there are plenty of women who WANT to pay for it. Safe, no strings attached, get a dream man of your choice to service you for a while. Sounds perfect.

The expenses for Viagra will be unbelievable!
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