Sorry, I've been working late a lot and missed most of the news -- can

anyone steer me to a thread or link that summarizes best where the proposal from Murtha came from? I've read the text. Did he just spontaneously introduce this talking on the floor of the House the other day? Did he make a speech or interview putting this forth in some other venue?

Obviously the Republican Party (i.e. shrubco Mafia) is terrified at the prospect of a real national discussion of the debacle that is Iraq. The whole house of cards is falling down, ever since Cindy and Katrina. (It was falling in slow motion before, not anymore.)

Hence the desperation. Hence stunts like Duncan Hunter's. But what was the origins of this, how did he (Murtha) first fire this shot across the bow?

Replies on this thread would be appreciated as well. Sorry to increase bandwith, searching just yielded too many results...

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read all the threads. If some kind soul could steer me to the story I'd appreciate it.

It was promoted earlier by either Pelosi or the DNC - I don't recall which.

I guess Murtha has enough seniority that even CNN covered the beginning of it. C-Span has broadcast it several times.

What really got things going, though, I think, was the Repugs' reaction to him. They've blown it into all out war.

discussion about Iraq, not the platitudes of the fake voting and constitution and whatever b.s. milestone shrubco comes up with next, is political DOOM for shrubco and the whole Republican apparatus that has thrown in its lot with its tin emperor instead of retaining any independence.

It is TRULY the desperate lashing out of a cornered animal.

Thanks for the response. I will look at the video of the original Murtha press conference.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/11/18/national/w143646S21.DTL

They decided to sneak in a quick vote.

The Schmidt fireworks were just about his comments, not even voting on the actual resolution. That is by Duncan Hunter. That debate is the current circus on the TV.

ed: clarity.

I have CSPAN on now and am catching up after reading that article.

Maybe it's not by Duncan Hunter. It's hard to keep track, I'll tell you that.

Also, if it didn't say it in the article, Pelosi urged the Dems to vote with the Repubs kinda just to piss 'em off.

From Kos:

"Pelosi has sent instructions to members to vote against it. Of course, members can vote however they want. However, Dems should vote against this sham amendment, this nakedly political ploy, and agitate to get Murtha's resolution to the floor for a vote."

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/11/18/19221/363

a bit confused but I think this is just a proceedural vote right now so hopefully the discussion will help clear this up. Sheesh....thanks, I am glad to know I am not the only one who is confused. You have been helpful.

it's all been the debate to have the debate, and it passed, so now there's another hour of debate on the actual non-binding resolution. It never ends. Oy. :)

all afternoon! Thanks for posting this, I was getting ready to post one of my own and now I can just piggyback here and find out.