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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:46 PM
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Frank Rich: "IF anyone needs further proof that we are racing for the exit
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 09:49 PM by understandinglife
... in Iraq, just follow the bouncing ball that is Rick Santorum. A Republican leader in the Senate and a true-blue (or red) Iraq hawk, he has long slobbered over President Bush, much as Ed McMahon did over Johnny Carson. But when Mr. Bush went to Mr. Santorum's home state of Pennsylvania to give his Veterans Day speech smearing the war's critics as unpatriotic, the senator was M.I.A.

Mr. Santorum preferred to honor a previous engagement more than 100 miles away. There he told reporters for the first time that "maybe some blame" for the war's "less than optimal" progress belonged to the White House. This change of heart had nothing to do with looming revelations of how the new Iraqi "democracy" had instituted Saddam-style torture chambers. Or with the spiraling investigations into the whereabouts of nearly $9 billion in unaccounted-for taxpayers' money from the American occupation authority. Or with the latest spike in casualties. Mr. Santorum was instead contemplating his own incipient political obituary written the day before: a poll showing him 16 points down in his re-election race. No sooner did he stiff Mr. Bush in Pennsylvania than he did so again in Washington, voting with a 79-to-19 majority on a Senate resolution begging for an Iraq exit strategy. He was joined by all but one (Jon Kyl) of the 13 other Republican senators running for re-election next year. They desperately want to be able to tell their constituents that they were against the war after they were for it.

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And once again he bragged about the growing readiness of Iraqi troops, citing "nearly 90 Iraqi army battalions fighting the terrorists alongside our forces." But as James Fallows confirms in his exhaustive report on "Why Iraq Has No Army" in the current issue of The Atlantic Monthly, America would have to commit to remaining in Iraq for many years to "bring an Iraqi army to maturity." If we're not going to do that, Mr. Fallows concludes, America's only alternative is to "face the stark fact that it has no orderly way out of Iraq, and prepare accordingly."

THAT'S the alternative that has already been chosen, brought on not just by the public's irreversible rejection of the war, but also by the depleted state of our own broken military forces; they are falling short of recruitment goals across the board by as much as two-thirds, the Government Accountability Office reported last week. We must prepare accordingly for what's to come. To do so we need leaders, whatever the political party, who can look beyond our nonorderly withdrawal from Iraq next year to the mess that will remain once we're on our way out. Whether it's countering the havoc inflicted on American interests internationally by Abu Ghraib and Guantánamo or overhauling and redeploying our military, intelligence and homeland security operations to confront the enemy we actually face, there's an enormous job to be done.

Link:

http://select.nytimes.com/2005/11/20/opinion/20rich.html?hp=&pagewanted=print


As Mr. Rich concludes -- "The arguments about how we got into Mr. Bush's war and exactly how we'll get out are also important. But the damage from this fiasco will be even greater if those debates obscure the urgency of the other war we are losing, one that will be with us long after we've left the quagmire in Iraq."

As I posted here yesterday (http://tinyurl.com/dd7l3), we have been in The Iraqi Civil War since early summer, 2003. The "meme" of The Iraqi Civil War is essential to galvanizing why it makes zero sense, apart from the fact that we have zero legislative authority, to remain in The Iraqi Civil War.

Moreover, by calling it what it is, we can begin to determine how best to work with our international partners to mollify The Iraqi Civil War and contribute to joint efforts to enable the various factions, forced together by past generations of geo-political idiot-imperialists, to begin determining how they can co-exist.

For starters, an American LEADER will need to go before the UN General Assembly, and all of humanity, and apologize and then, by actions, make the apology mean something.


Peace.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:53 PM
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1. This isn't about the fight in Iraq
it's about the fight on election day 2006.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:00 PM
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4. Yes. As many of us know, not one single Republican will want Americans ...
... dying in Iraq while they are struggling to keep their seats in Congress in 2006.

That is why it is so important that Gov Dean, Rep Murtha, Senator Kerry, Senator Edwards and others have been doing and saying what they have. However, they must take it up a notch and demand the orderly resolution proposed by Rep Murtha be brought forward for debate and a vote.

They must not allow any confusion in America, or elsewhere, that they are the ones leading Americans out of The Iraqi Civil War

And, that they are the ones who are going to lead the world in administering justice to Bush and the neoconsters for starting an illegal war of aggression after lying to the American public and the world about why war on Iraq had to happen.

And, that they are the ones who are going to do everything possible to help the Iraqi citizens whom we have so mercilessly and lawlessly harmed.


Peace.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:05 PM
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5. So to get re-elected, repukes will vote to remove our soldiers over the
horizon... to Syria.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:16 PM
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6. No. While I appreciate the "irony," I suspect we both know that ...
... most of our fellow citizens are done with America making war on anyone in the Middle East short of an obvious attack by one of those countries on the US.

What I suspect the savy Republicans are already doing, between curses that Rep Murtha beat them to the first punch, is preparing a plan to move our troops out of Iraq and position them in Kuwait, to a lesser extent in Saudi Arabia, and the bulk on ships in the Persian Gulf and Mediteranian.

That is why it is essential the the House and Senate Dems be pouring into the media during the next two weeks that THEY are the ones with logistically and strategically solid plans for extracting American forces from harms way, from The Iraqi Civil War, and positioning them to serve our defensive strategic interests, i.e., non-imperialistic, rational protection of America and our allies in the region.


Peace.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:41 PM
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9. Saudi Arabia? Didn't Doug Feith just say we shd be invading
Saudi Arabia?

Never mind that. I hope you're right--and I think you're right, given that we now hear that Rumsfeld has some sort of plan on his desk.

And of course in the 2006 elections, the democrats HAVE to win back at least one house of Congress--preferably both. Because if that doesn't happen, I still think that, once the elections are over, the bastards (if re-elected) will heave a sigh of relief and just go right on helping the WH proceed with war with Iran and a continuation and enhancement of our operations in Syria.

Notice that, in spite of all that has happened these last few months, the republiscum are still UNREPENTANTLY trying to ram their poisonous agenda through in various bills.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:21 AM
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13. Good insights. And, here is a CNN link to Casey's plan for withdrawl ...
... submitted to Rumsfeld:

Defense official: Rumsfeld given Iraq withdrawal plan -- Plan calls for troops to begin pulling out after December elections

Saturday, November 19, 2005 Posted: 0434 GMT (1234 HKT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The top U.S. commander in Iraq has submitted a plan to the Pentagon for withdrawing troops in Iraq, according to a senior defense official.

Gen. George Casey submitted the plan to Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. It includes numerous options and recommends that brigades -- usually made up of about 2,000 soldiers each -- begin pulling out of Iraq early next year.

The proposal comes as tension grows in both Washington and Baghdad following a call by a senior House Democrat to bring U.S. troops home
and the deaths of scores of people by suicide bombers in two Iraqi cities.

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Link:

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/11/18/iraq.plan


No way the Republicans are going to allow Bush and the neoconsters to drag this catastrophe into Spring, Summer, Fall of 2006.

We have to keep the focus on why this IS NOT A POLITICAL GAME -- as Rep Murtha made absolutely clear.


Peace.
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Boredtodeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:09 PM
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11. The Saudis kicked us out
No way in hell we move troops to Saudi Arabia. Most of the problems in the Middle East began when we put troops on Saudi soil.

The Saudis won't even allow our military equipment (computers) on their soil. They removed all the computers from their bases and stuck them in the desert because they believe they were bugged by the US to intercept their plans.

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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:09 AM
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12. Let's look at some facts:
During mid-2003 roughly 4,500 US troops redeployed from Saudi Arabia to Qatar, Although the main Air Force facility at Prince Sultan AB closed, the main Army facility at Eskan Village remained open.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/eskan-village.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/taif.htm


for starters.

And, please note how carefully I stated "... to a lesser extent in Saudi Arabia ..." indicating I happen to have a clue. And, when the day arrives that we learn how many strike mission were flown from Saudi Arabia, particularly in the interval August, 2002, to May, 2003, we will likely learn much about how cooperative our arrangements with Saudi Arabia continued to be.

Thank you.


Peace.
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:05 AM
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14. I doubt Saudi Arabia is an option
given the ire that our being there raised in the minds of Muslims everywhere.

Options for re-deployment include Turkey (big question mark here but they may want help keeping the Kurds at bay), and Kuwait as well as some of the smaller emirates.

While I agree that another invasion is politically out of the question I think the "true-believers" in the WH may now care about the political fall out and it has already been proposed from the WH that they do not need any further Congressional approval to take the "War on Terra" any where they think is necessary.

If God is up there listening I hope she helps us before it is too late.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:32 PM
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23. Please see comment # 12, and thank you ...
... for sharing your insights and concern about what the ever more desperate neoconsters may do.


Peace.
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:56 PM
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2. Santorum "has long slobbered over President Bush"
I love how he says that. Rich sure has a way with words, and this one really ROCKS!
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 09:58 PM
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3. I'm no optimist, but I think
Sanatorium is history.

He will taking leave to spend more time with his dead fetus.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:18 PM
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7. "He will taking leave to spend more time with his dead fetus." ROFL!!!!
:rofl: !!!!

And, I agree, Rickie is toast; let's just make sure he is totally burnt toast.


Peace.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:24 PM
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8. Gross!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

"Every sperm is sacred..."
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POAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:08 AM
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15. Why don't they give a burial service and
perform religious rights for the deceased every month for the unborn eggs?
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 07:47 AM
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17. Excellent idea.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:47 PM
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10. "Everything that needs to be known is now known: The reasons the Bush ...
... Administration gave for the American war in Iraq were all falsehoods or deceptions, and every day the US occupation continues deepens the very problems it was supposed to solve. Therefore there can no longer be any doubt: The war--an unprovoked, unnecessary and unlawful invasion that has turned into a colonial-style occupation--is a moral and political catastrophe. As such it is a growing stain on the honor of every American who acquiesces, actively or passively, in its conduct and continuation.

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Link:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20051128/editors


Seems like a fitting time and thread in which to re-post this November 9, 2005, Editorial from The Nation.

"The war has also become the single greatest threat to our national security."

Along with the rising economic strength of China (http://tinyurl.com/c6z8d), that statement is absolutely true.


Peace.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:18 AM
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16. UL, do you remember how Nixon won re-election with his
secret plan to end the war?

Couldn't these felonious recyclers deploy the same tactic here? I wouldn't put it past them.

What do these corporatists care if they've landed us in the middle of an Iraqi civil war as long as they keep making change?
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 11:04 AM
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20. At the point that Nixon was telling that lie, he didn't have 70 + % of ...
... the country already aware that he was a liar and that wanted us out of Vietnam. I also think that most Republican candidates for the Senate and House do not want to be running with America troops dying anywhere in the world, but particularly in Iraq.

The Iraq Civil War "meme" is useful because, for starters it's true, and because I think it provides all the chickenhawks, as well as, those who truly care about our troops and our Nation the "story" they need to press for "redeployment" rather than "withdrawal" because "we didn't go there to fight in THEIR civil war." That's what I was attempting to convey:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5403031

I think many "corporatists" are aware of the danger to our economy to persist in Iraq in its current state.



Peace.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:02 AM
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18. Frank Rich is the only good thing left of the NYT.
They have blown it as badly as the Nazi party sounding, "Office Of Special Planning" blew the "War on Terra."

The party that slobbers over that big headed pig Reagan, should stop and ask it's self this question...Is the WORLD any better off now, than it was five years ago? Nobody but a total FOOL, would answer in the affirmative to that question...NOBODY!

Frank Rich is a true patriot!
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:06 PM
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24. Krugman?
He's still there, right?
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:39 AM
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28. Right!
oooops!
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:06 AM
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19. Santorum is running scared
saw a commercial yesterday -- it's your basic "thank-you Mr. Santorum" butt-kissing commercial

kinda of early for the campaign - but his poll numbers must be waaaaaaaaaay lower than the "official" reports
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 06:10 PM
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30. all but one of the Pubbies voted no-confidence who have mid-terms
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 01:18 PM
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21. Wait just a minute
I rather like your civil war meme idea, but why is it they're shooting at us if it's a civil war? Doesn't make much sense.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 06:51 PM
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22. Way more Iraqis have been killed by Iraqis, especially in the past 12 ...
... months.

Sure they are "shooting at us" because they all hate us as occupiers, but they hate each other even more -- they've got several centuries worth of intense disregard for each other (each other meaning Kurds, Sunni, ...) accelerating into more and more brutal attacks. Here's just one very recent reference to the "sectarian violence" in many Iraqi towns:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5403031&mesg_id=5408623

Thank you for probing the meme.


Peace.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 08:49 PM
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25. Murtha said on Meet the Press today...
he believes we will be out by election day 2006, implying that the strategy will be based on politics.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:36 PM
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26. No doubt about it. Otherwise, instead of barely holding on to a few ...
.... seats in the HR and Senate, the Repubs will not just be a minority but perhaps the lowest number minority in a very long time.


Peace.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-20-05 09:59 PM
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27. Augh! Why can't we get rid on John Kyl? He's worthless.
Worthless. Arizona needs another real senator. As much as I disagree with John McCain, at least, he answers my letters even when he's not up for re-election. Kyl wrote me back for the first time in 4 years, a couple months ago. Bastard.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 05:31 PM
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29. TruthOut Link to full article:
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