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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:54 PM
Original message
Is it okay with the DU Moderators if one were to use the
"B" word and the "C" word?

Just asking.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:55 PM
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1. i'll bet the C word won't fly, but the B word may depend on context n/t
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
5. What is this?
The seven words you can't write on DU?

(I guess so.)

"There is, on occasion, relief in profanity that is unavailable by any other means--even prayer."
Mark Twain

(That stated I don't recall using any objectionable words here . . . )
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:01 PM
Response to Reply #1
8. Well
Last night I was on the verge of using both the "C" word and the "B" word in reference to that Jean Schmidt POS.

But I decided not to, because I thought both words mightn't be acceptable, which is why I'm now asking my original question.

Actually, also I refrained from using both the "C" word and the "B" word in case it upset those who might be blue colored bears...because I wouldn't want to send blue colored bears into a state of complete shock and utter despair at such terrible language ;)
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:07 PM
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17. Well that is a shame.
I don't even post here much because what I have to say would either be too radical or controversial due to the "populist" direction that DU has taken these days. So much has changed, but then, what did I expect? Weed out the extremes and go for the limelight, ey?

Words are only words! If you believe in words and let them control how you think and express yourself, then you are not free at all. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me?

It is one thing to have context and sensitivity to the imagined effects that others might project on how words impact them based on cultural injection, it is quite another to yield to the elitist idea of good or bad words as meaningful and important to any assumed morality in a wider, free-thinking scope.

I am sorry to see that DU is tending to yield to the thought-control of word usage in order to lean in a very common, popular direction. There is no free thought were there is a constriction on thought and its restriction, no matter how you want to slice that pie. Yes, there is pain and anger and rejection with some ideas and thoughts, but that is the price you have to pay for freedom.

So, while all free-thinkers should have compassion and sensitivity to those who are not yet able to transcend what I call ¡Èword magic¡É and rise above literal symbols as anything but forms of expression and verbal buffers for reality, it seems that the leaning should be towards expression and openness with a notation to context and an apology for sensitivity.

Right now, we are seeing quite the opposite and so, I read the posts here but have to censor myself and NOT post over and over and over again. What can I say other than that I never used to feel that way. My thoughts and opinions are already far too restricted by the rules, and so, I censor myself in order not to be an anarchist here or offend the powers that be.

Word magic? Are you a priest, believer, zombie of it? Go ahead, kill me with a word or a sentence or a phrase without an action behind it.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:18 PM
Response to Reply #17
27. Is life really worth it when you can't say the c word on DU?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:39 PM
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46. I disagree that "words are only words"
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:40 PM by gristy
Words are everything at DU in that they are the principal means of expressing the ideas you are trying to convey (pictures come in a weak second). When one uses vulgarity out of context or inappropriately (and most uses are inappropriate, IMO), it weakens and cheapens one's argument.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:48 PM
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52. Look into it more!
Vulgarity means of the "common people". It is most certainly an elitist concept and term.. It goes way back and your history should enlighten you.

Now, this WORD bops you in the forehead and makes you bleed. Was that so real?

I know what you are implying, but keep in mind the line, no matter how fuzzy it seems, between the somatic and the intellect, the idea and the actual deed. Our Republican, reality wizards and those who yearn for power are playing the "imagination as word magic and vision" game to the hilt and altering everything we are experiencing by putting their words/ideas INTO action. Big difference ... you see?

You own sensitivities and indoctrination into the use of words as secondary buffers to reality may be convincing, but I do not respect them as sacrosanct and concrete and immutable. I can only respect that you are a sensitive person, just as I am and we have a common ground. Words are only words. Meaning is meaning. Both are mutable. A blow to the shin with a stick is not arguable when you feel the strike and sting. Therein lies our major problem as users of words.

Now, should we bow to your slavery to words, or should you free yourself from their connection ot your depth and being and meaning as a being? I don't know. Is there some tyranny afoot here?
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Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:57 PM
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2. It's all in context.
Don't get your hopes up on the 'c' word, unless you're referring to 'conservative'.

The 'b' word we take on a case-by-case basis.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:07 PM
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16. Hey the "C" word was
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:08 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Curvirostral...which means "with a curved beak"

So, if I did a post containing the "C" word of Curvirostral, this would cause some sort of no-no type situation, 'eh?

:popcorn:

On Edit: Dammit spelling error.
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astonamous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:58 PM
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3. The "C" word was used yesterday...it didn't stay up long. But,
I know where you can you it.
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tmooses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 10:58 PM
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4. Cheese okay-not bleu.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:00 PM
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6. what about the eff word?
:shrug:
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. You bet your fuckin' ass.
It's not a profanity thing, it's a slur thing (you can swear, but can't use a racial/gender/religious etc. slur).

That's my understanding of it, anyway.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #6
11. The eff-ete can fuck themselves!
:D
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:12 PM
Response to Reply #6
19. The eff word?
What like Efficiency or Effective, is that what you mean?

Hey, November 24th is near, here's a heads-up...it's -7 below zero, so bring warm clothing.
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:17 PM
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24. lol
but that's -7 celsius right? what's it in Fahrenheit? lol i still don't know how to convert degrees.....

AND I AM SO EFFIN FUCKING EXCITED MY STOMACH IS IN KNOTS AND I WANT TO FLYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:18 PM
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25. Hold on
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:21 PM by ...of J.Temperance
I've got to figure it out...

On Edit: It's about 26 degrees. It's freezing, I've got a small tub of water outside for the birds and that small tub of water is now a small block of ice.

The weather people said that this freezing weather will last until next weekend...so you might only get it for two days and your other two days hopefully will be a bit warmer :)
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. haha ok cool thanks
i'll try to be prepared :scared:


AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

:bounce:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. You'll
Be okay, don't worry. Just think of...the Bahamas :)

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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:01 PM
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7. My understanding (from reading past threads on this)
The "c" word isn't tolerated.

The "b" word is tolerated when it's not meant to be a gender-based slur:

"I had a bitch of a time finding that information." is O.K.

"Hillary Clinton is a b****." is not.


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:03 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. And of course, when you are speaking about how well your
favorite bitch did, winning best in show at the Cruft's dog show, you're OK there, too!
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:02 PM
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9. From the newly revised DU rules...
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:03 PM by tx_dem41
"While specific words are not automatically forbidden, members should avoid using racist, sexist, homophobic, or otherwise bigoted terminology. This includes gender-specific terms such as "cunt," "whore," "slut," "skank," or "pussy," and terms with homophobic derivation, such as "cocksucker," which are often inflammatory and inappropriate. A common exception that is permitted is the use of words like "whore" or "prostitute" in cases where public figures or the media do favors. (For example: "Fox News is whoring for the GOP again" or "Tom DeLay is a prostitute for corporate interests.")

Special note with regard to the word "bitch": The word "bitch" has been the source of a great deal of controversy on this website, because some of our members consider it to be a bigoted slur against all women, while others do not consider it bigoted. For a while we actively deleted posts which included this word, in an effort to keep the peace. This effort helped to keep discussions on track, but it resulted in many deleted posts that were otherwise perfectly fine as well as many confused people. Futhermore, the moderators themselves were ambivalent about removing the word. For this reason, we no longer automatically remove the word "bitch." However, we strongly urge members to voluntarily avoid using the word if they wish to keep their own discussions from going off-topic, and we reserve the right to take disciplinary action if we think someone is deliberately using the word in an effort to disrupt or cause trouble."


If my post gets deleted for quoting from them....ah well.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:03 PM
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13. You can PM Skinner
It usually takes him a day or two to answer, but he always does. No need to start up a thread you have to know is going to piss people off.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. Why is this thread going to piss people off?
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:15 PM by ...of J.Temperance
Oh heck, I didn't do this deliberately to upset people. I don't deliberately try to upset people.

Now I'm upset, you brute you :cry:

Maybe the Moderators should just delete my entire thread.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #20
22. Your questions are answered in my post #9. n/t
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #22
29. I know
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:25 PM by ...of J.Temperance
But people are making amusing comments now...still if that's considered annoying by some and it's pissing them off. Well then, I'd rather the thread get locked or just completely deleted.

I've never had any problems with sandnsea before, so I DON'T know what brought that on.

:cry:
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:26 PM
Response to Reply #29
32. I think that person was a little hair-triggered on that characterization..
as long as you don't use the words, you can keep the asbestos suit in the closet.

GEAUX Tigers!!! They beat Ole Miss 40-7.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #32
42. GEAUX Tigers!


If I were sandnsea I'd apologize...that's what I myself would do...but I bet they won't.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #29
44. Silly me
Perhaps it's just way too much to presume people have been taught manners. Or have read the 1,001 threads where others are offended by those words and have had their use explained.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #44
49. Well it depends
On the defination of manners...the word manners.

Hold on...where's the Oxford Dictionary when I need it...I'll give you the OFFICIAL defination of the word manners...
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #20
41. Hey, just don't call me cupcake
If that's the "c" word you were referring to, then my apologies. Somehow I don't think it is and somehow I don't think anybody over the age of oh, 13, ought to have to ask whether it's appropriate to use it. Or cupcake. Either one.
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
50. But more importantly
Do you LIKE *up*akes? Would you eat one of these?

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:05 PM
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14. just as a point of information--whether the mods allow the "c" word or not
you might want to know that, originally, it was a title of the goddess, a most honoured and revered word (actually, so was the "b" word)

for further information, you might want to read "c***" (just in case the mods don't approve) by inga muscio, or, if you want a very short explanation--read the entry in barbara g walker's, "the woman's encyclopedia of myths and secrets"

all the words that are used as insults to women by a certain mindset were originally words of power and honour, and women are reclaiming them proudly.



other person: "you are a "b****"

woman: "you say this as if it were a bad thing."

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:06 PM
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15. yes you can say "Bill" I have a "crush" on you
that's perfectly fine. :)

Psh.. what would make you think otherwise?:silly:
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #15
23. Aw
You're such a sweetie :hug:
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:30 PM
Response to Reply #23
37. well, I have my moments, I suppose
:)
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...of J.Temperance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. You do
Actually ALL of your moments are moments :)

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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #43
48. I just swooned
so do you have a British or a Cajun accent?

And just what kind of film are you obsessive about? :)
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:11 PM
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18. It depends on the B word and the C word
If the B word has five letters and the C word four, probably not.

However, if the B word is either Bushitter or Bonehead, and the C word is Cocksucker, all of which apply to the First Squatter, you're fine.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
21. Actually, if you read post #9, that C word is generally not allowed...
Edited on Sat Nov-19-05 11:15 PM by tx_dem41
either due to its homophobic derivation. I posted from the DU Rules.
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No Exit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:18 PM
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26. Why? Got something to say about Barbara Bush? n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:21 PM
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28. From the DU Rules ...
Topics with little or no political relevance are not permitted in the General Discussion forum.

<snip>

Questions about Democratic Underground policies should be emailed to the administrators. Discussion topics pertaining to specific enforcement actions by the moderators are categorically forbidden. Discussion topics relating to Democratic Underground policies, procedures, enforcement, etc., are sometimes permitted if they are respectful and not disruptive to the administration of the website. We reserve the right to lock or delete any such topics for any reason.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:25 PM
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31. As in she's a complete fuckng bunt

Like this bunt
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:27 PM
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33. The New DU!
"Doing its part to serve politically correct, word magic respecting democrats/liberals!"

Even if you are on the, "other side" you must conform, comply ... resistance is always futile in the end. Organization and growth have an emergent factor and price.

Conformity comes in many guises. The difference between a popular democratic, pseudo-moderate and a freeptard is that one feels intellectually superior to the other. Their similarities lie in the fact that neither one of them realizes the manipulations of the system they fall prey to in their orchestrated battle against each other.

Critical, free-thinking is not going to be a common denominator ever. It will only be a point of serious, thoughtful, and deliberate contention within the ranks of those who have common goals.

Thousands and thousands served!
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:29 PM
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35. Critical, free-thinking requires use of C word!!!
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:31 PM
Response to Reply #35
38. why did I know you would be on this thread?
:)
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:38 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. Because of the Z word.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:41 PM
Response to Reply #35
47. Of course not!
But you already have your locks on the "P" word, the "I" word, the "CT" words and concepts. Just to be bold and risk banning here, because I don't feel free here, I will not that those words relate to Palestine, Israel, and Conspiracy Theories, (which are a convenient cover-up for anything that does not fit the IMAGINED realities of governments that are now thinking of ways to be pre-emptive in the wake of the disillusionment of positive goals not realized).

The lexicon and range of discussion here is slowly diminishing. That seems counter-productive to me when I consider how pro-active this site was and still could be. As they, for whatever reason, constrict your words, they constrict your thoughts and patterns. And for what? To cater to this group or that group? Did any of those groups agree to the fact that this kind of restriction might be counter-productive to their own causes in the end, i.e., freedom for all?

First they went for the "P" word and I said nothing. Then they went for the "C" word and I looked the other way. Then the went for the "me" word, and it was too late.

Free your MINDS first and the rest will follow ... and you may not like it at ALL! Is that really AIR you are breathing?

Hopefully, this is food for thought and the users here still have some democratic freedoms to impose on the moderation itself as THE PEOPLE. If not, it is just another online tyranny posing as as somthing it only pretends to be and a ghost of something past. Otherwise, I guess I get banned, and I don't really worry about that anymore.
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A-Schwarzenegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:45 PM
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51. What have you done to get banned?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #33
40. Private messageboards are a b***h, aren't they?
Oops...used the b-word. :)
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MadisonProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:29 PM
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36. I think many people find those words sexist and therefore distasteful
There should be no need to reference the sex of a scumbag. A scumbag is a scumbag no matter the gender.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:31 PM
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39. At my home I might under the right circumstances get by
with the B word, never the C word. If I was to I would find out the S word. 'SLAP'
Too much respect for the S O. Actually.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-19-05 11:49 PM
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53. Locking
Questions about the policies of DU that are not answered in the rules sectio should be directed to the administrators.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/contact.html
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