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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 09:53 AM
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Was Colon Powell Prepared to Lie to the UN? Colin Powell’s Credibility Ga
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 10:03 AM by Jester_11218
For those of you who did not see this, I wrote this back in July.
All thie hooply related to last nights 60 Minutes II episode is great, but it is late.
Everyone speaking out after the fact. Big deal. The damage is done.

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http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/powell_lies_to_un.html
The article on the site has linked references.

WAS COLIN POWELL PREPARED TO LIE TO THE UN?
Colin Powell’s Credibility Gap

Surprise, surprise! Out of the blue, and in remarkably synchronized unity, the American media has awakened from a deep sleep to discover that the President of the United States lied to the nation in his State of the Union Speech. The pundits suddenly are astounded by what alternative sources on the Internet have known for months: documents “proving” uranium purchases by Iraq were known forgeries.

At the same time, and again in lock-step, the media was quick to reassure us that Secretary of State Colin Powell was nowhere as dishonorable as his superiors. The press repeatedly stated that Powell had refused to use the Niger document in his presentation to the U.N. because of what Condoleeza Rice described as long-standing concerns about its credibility.

The obvious conclusion was that Powell had too much integrity to present information to the UN that he knew to be bogus. After all, while the President might have been ‘misled’ by intelligence sources, the rest of the damning evidence against Saddam Hussein was totally credible, because Colin Powell is an honorable man. But, that’s not exactly what happened. Not by a long shot.


CONTINUED......on site
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/powell_lies_to_un.html
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 09:59 AM
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1. quick, get rid of the caps in your subject line
before the stupid rules get you locked
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:04 AM
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2. Oops!
I just copied my headline. Sorry.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:18 AM
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3. I'm glad that Powell's long-existing credibility gap is exposed
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 10:19 AM by cosmicdot
and, the PR'd myth of "My American Journey" and "The Leadership Secrets of Colin Powell" stand as examples of how easily the American people can be misled -- not to worry, Colin made beaucoup bucks off of that naivete and laughs all the way to the bank.

Lies and deceit make for a weak foundation for leadership.

Anyone with an ounce of integrity would never have accepted a role in a Bush administration - elected or selected.




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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:23 AM
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4. 'Prepared to Lie'? hell .. All he did was lie !

A BuzzFlash News Analysis
September 24, 2003

http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/03/09/24_powell.html

Did Colin Powell Lie to the U.S. and the U.N.?
A BUZZFLASH NEWS ANALYSIS

Below are two excerpts from speeches given by Colin Powell. The first in 2001, in which he asserts Iraq could not possibly have weapons of mass destruction, and the second in 2003, two years later, asserting that Iraq had plenty of weapons of mass destruction.

And now we know they haven't found any weapons of mass destruction, just like Colin said in 2001.

Did Colin Powell lie to the U.S. and the U.N.?

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Press Remarks with Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa

Secretary Colin L. Powell
Cairo, Egypt (Ittihadiya Palace)
February 24, 2001

"...the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq, and these are policies that we are going to keep in place, but we are always willing to review them to make sure that they are being carried out in a way that does not affect the Iraqi people but does affect the Iraqi regime's ambitions and the ability to acquire weapons of mass destruction, and we had a good conversation on this issue."

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm

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Full text of Colin Powell's speech
US secretary of state's address to the United Nations security council

February 5, 2003

Indeed, the facts and Iraq's behavior show that Saddam Hussein and his regime are concealing their efforts to produce more weapons of mass destruction.

<snip>

Numerous human sources tell us that the Iraqis are moving not just documents and hard drives, but weapons of mass destruction, to keep them from being found by inspectors.

<snip>

We also have satellite photos that indicate that banned materials have recently been moved from a number of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction facilities.

<snip>

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction; he's determined to make more.

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2003/17300.htm

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^SATELLITE PHOTOS

Powell presented satellite photos of industrial buildings, bunkers and trucks, and suggested they showed Iraqis surreptitiously moving prohibited missiles and chemical and biological weapons to hide them. At two sites, he said trucks were "decontamination vehicles" associated with chemical weapons.



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But these and other sites had undergone 500 inspections in recent months. Chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix, a day earlier, had said his well-equipped experts found no contraband and no sign that items had been moved. Nothing has been reported found since.
Addressing the Security Council a week after Powell, Blix used one photo scenario as an example and said it could be showing routine as easily as illicit activity. Norwegian inspector Jorn Siljeholm told AP on March 19 that "decontamination vehicles" U.N. teams were led to invariably turned out to be water or fire trucks.


^AUDIOTAPES

Powell played three audiotapes of men speaking in Arabic of a mysterious "modified vehicle," "forbidden ammo," and "the expression `nerve agents"' -- tapes said to be intercepts of Iraqi army officers discussing concealment.



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Two of the brief, anonymous tapes, otherwise not authenticated, provided little context for judging their meaning. It couldn't be known whether the mystery vehicle, however "modified," was even banned. A listener could only speculate over the cryptic mention of nerve agents. The third tape, meanwhile, seemed natural, an order to inspect scrap areas for "forbidden ammo." The Iraqis had just told U.N. inspectors they would search ammunition dumps for stray, empty chemical warheads left over from years earlier. They later turned four over to inspectors.
Powell's rendition of that third conversation made it more incriminating, by saying an officer ordered that the area be "cleared out." The voice on the tape didn't say that, but only that the area be "inspected," according to the official U.S. translation.


^HIDDEN DOCUMENTS

Powell said "classified" documents found at a nuclear scientist's Baghdad home were "dramatic confirmation" of intelligence saying prohibited items were concealed this way.



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U.N. nuclear inspectors later said the documents were old and "irrelevant" -- some administrative material, some from a failed and well-known uranium-enrichment program of the 1980s.

^ANTHRAX

Powell noted Iraq had declared it produced 8,500 liters of the biological agent anthrax before 1991, but U.N. inspectors estimated it could have made up to 25,000 liters. None has been "verifiably accounted for," he said.



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No anthrax has been reported found. The Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), in a confidential report last September, recently disclosed, said that although it believed Iraq had biological weapons, it didn't know their nature, amounts or condition. Three weeks before the invasion, an Iraqi report of scientific soil sampling supported its contention it destroyed its anthrax at a known site, the U.N. inspection agency said May 30.

^BIOWEAPONS TRAILERS

Powell said defectors told of "biological weapons factories" on trucks and in train cars. He displayed artists' conceptions of such vehicles.



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After the invasion, U.S. authorities said they found two such truck trailers in Iraq, and the CIA said it concluded they were part of a bioweapons production line. But no trace of biological agents was found on them, Iraqis said the equipment made hydrogen for weather balloons, and State Department intelligence balked at the CIA's conclusion. The British defense minister, Geoffrey Hoon, has said the vehicles aren't a "smoking gun."
The trailers have not been submitted to U.N. inspection for verification. No "bioweapons railcars" have been reported found.


^`FOUR TONS' OF VX

Powell said Iraq produced four tons of the nerve agent VX. "A single drop of VX on the skin will kill in minutes. Four tons," he said.



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Powell didn't note that most of that four tons was destroyed in the 1990s under U.N. supervision. Before the invasion, the Iraqis made a "considerable effort" to prove they had destroyed the rest, doing chemical analysis of the ground where inspectors confirmed VX had been dumped, the U.N. inspection agency reported May 30.
Experts at Britain's International Institute of Strategic Studies said any pre-1991 VX most likely would have degraded anyway. No VX has been reported found since the invasion.


^`EMBEDDED' CAPABILITY

"We know that Iraq has embedded key portions of its illicit chemical weapons infrastructure within its legitimate civilian industry," Powell said.



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No "chemical weapons infrastructure" has been reported found. The newly disclosed DIA report of last September said there was "no reliable information" on "where Iraq has -- or will -- establish its chemical warfare agent-production facilities." It suggested international inspections would be able to keep Iraq from rebuilding a chemical weapons program.

^`500 TONS' OF CHEMICAL AGENT

"Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent," Powell said.



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Powell gave no basis for the assertion, and no such agents have been reported found. An unclassified CIA report last October made a similar assertion without citing concrete evidence, saying only that Iraq "probably" concealed precursor chemicals to make such weapons. The DIA reported confidentially last September there "is no reliable information on whether Iraq is producing and stockpiling chemical weapons."

^CHEMICAL WARHEADS

Powell said 122-mm chemical warheads found by U.N. inspectors in January might be the "tip of an iceberg."



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The warheads were empty, a fact Powell didn't note. Blix said on June 16 the dozen stray rocket warheads, never uncrated, were apparently "debris from the past," the 1980s. No others have been reported found since the invasion.

^DEPLOYED WEAPONS

"Saddam Hussein has chemical weapons. ... And we have sources who tell us that he recently has authorized his field commanders to use them," Powell said.



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No such weapons were used and none was reported found after the U.S. and allied military units overran Iraqi field commands and ammunition dumps.

^REVIVED NUCLEAR PROGRAM

"We have no indication that Saddam Hussein has ever abandoned his nuclear weapons program," Powell said.



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Chief U.N. nuclear inspector Mohamed ElBaradei told the council two weeks before the U.S. invasion, "We have to date found no evidence or plausible indication of the revival of a nuclear weapons program in Iraq." On July 24, Foreign Minister Ana Palacio of Spain, a U.S. ally on Iraq, said there were "no evidences, no proof" of a nuclear bomb program before the war. No such evidence has been reported found since the invasion.

^SCUDS, NEW MISSILES

Powell said "intelligence sources" indicate Iraq had a secret force of up to a few dozen prohibited Scud-type missiles. He said it also had a program to build newer, 600-mile-range missiles, and had put a roof over a test facility to block the view of spy satellites.



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No Scud-type missiles have been reported found. In the 1990s, U.N. inspectors had reported accounting for all but two of these missiles. No program for long-range missiles has been uncovered. Powell didn't note that U.N. teams were repeatedly inspecting missile facilities, including looking under that roof, and reporting no Iraqi violations of U.N. resolutions.
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:25 AM
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5. Powell Knowingly Lied About Iraqi Aluminum Tubes

Powell Knowingly Lied About Iraqi Aluminum Tubes

Colin Powell has escaped much of the furor over Yellowcake-gate because he dropped it from his high-profile UN presentation on 2-5-03, knowing that it was bushit. But Powell "accused Iraq of importing special aluminum tubes as evidence that Baghdad was still working on a programme to produce atomic weapons" - even though his own Bureau of Intelligence and Research (INR) told him that was bushit also. Powell should resign - or be fired - for lying to the world.

http://news.ft.com/servlet/ContentServer?pagename=FT.com/StoryFT/FullStory&c=StoryFT&cid=1059478557785
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:43 AM
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6. So if you're criticizing the media for speaking out too late
you presumably wrote an article in February or March about Powell or Bush lying? Have you a link to that as well, please?
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Jester_11218 Donating Member (914 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 10:54 AM
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7. I wrote a great deal about it.
I'll find the links later. I have to start my webcast right now.

BTW I just started writing (created the site) in April so anything before that I did not really cover on time.

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dreissig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-03 12:50 PM
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8. Powell's Loss of Credibility
Edited on Thu Oct-16-03 12:51 PM by dreissig
Powell sounded like he genuinely believed the stuff he was saying, but his "evidence" was circumstantial. Without a smoking gun, he had only bits and pieces that required a predisposition to believe the interpretation he put on them. Was he holding something back? Did he really think this evidence was convincing?

A lot of people were embarrassed for him that day. Powell never quite regained his credibility.

Edit: typo
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