Bill Clinton says U.S. must stay in Iraq

By Liz Anderson
The Journal News
November 21, 2005

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VALHALLA — Former President Clinton said yesterday that the United States should wait until after mid-December parliamentary elections in Iraq to decide whether to set a timetable for troop withdrawal.

Clinton offered a lengthy assessment of the Iraq war as part of a wide-ranging talk at Westchester Community College for The President's Forum, a school fundraiser. It marked a rare local appearance by the former president, a Chappaqua resident.

Clinton, a Democrat who left office at the start of 2001, said he had personally never seen any intelligence linking Iraq to al-Qaida, and "no one I knew believed that was the case." But that doesn't mean President Bush, a Republican, lied or deliberately misled the country about the reasons for going to war, Clinton said. Bush probably believed the information he was relying on was right, Clinton said.

Now, Clinton said, what is good policy for both countries is the question. Clinton suggested that the recent vote on an Iraqi constitution went well, and the next test will be whether the once-dominant Sunni Arabs participate in the Dec. 15 elections.

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That being the amount of time it will take Bill Clinton to provide political cover for Baby Bush.

for some reason that Cheney phrase is coming to mind.

I cut him some slack, often, for being diplomatic. I thought he did a great job in offie. But this is a bit on the disappointing side, really. Making excuses for *. Admiring Condi.

If it's we-the-grassroots vs the BFEE, whose side is he on?

I will venture to state that I am now of the opinion that the present impotent situation of the democratic party was conceived and cleverly implemented by BC and the DLC. They pride and enjoy themselves to see the democratic party and liberals impotent and out of power because that helps their corporate friends to continue to wield power. BC has cleverly positioned himself to be adored by the rank and file of the democratic party but he does not hesitate to rush to the rescue of * and the rethuglican party at the right time. I suspect that his wife - HC - is part of this set up and will be cleverly shoved in to help the rethugs cement their control of the system if she is put in office with their connivance. I am tired of BC playing his disingenuous role and a whole bunch salivate in adoration of him. This man is killing us - OK!

Thank you for posting this - it sums up my feelings to a tee. Now throw Kerry in the mix as well and it's pretty plain to see it really is a 'one party' system - The Corporations own our asses.

in 93, Kerry wanted all the documents in IranContra and BCCI opened up to the public.

Clinton refused and sided with Alan Greenspan who said that if BCCI documents were revealed it would take the entire world economy down.

Those revelations in 93 would have prevented a 9-11, an Iraq war, and no Bush would have been allowed even NEAR the White House ever again.

who laundered the drugs and arms money through its vast banking network.
The Bushes and the Bin Ladens and just about every known arms and weapons dealer was working through that bank.

That's why Poppy Bush and his cronies fought the investigation so hard. Their coverup guy was Robert Mueller who was the US Attorney in charge of the fed case.

The same Robert Mueller who Bush tapped to head the FBI.

Robert Mueller was a BFEE man. He was no Patrick Fitzgerald.

If this is true, then how much clearer can it be that the whole system is corrupt? If we allow the money laundering to stand then where is the line drawn? We may as well throw our hands in the air and admit the whole democracy is a sham and the Saudis, neocons (perhaps together with China) own us.

:wtf:

and prepare yourself for the education of a lifetime.

EVERYTHING happening today is rooted in BCCI.

"Forbidden Truth: US - Taliban secret oil diplomacy and the failed hunt for bin Ladin", by Jean-Charles Brisard & Guillaume Dasquie (the International bestseller banned by the bin Ladin Family!)

He has excerpts from several books on BCCI that you will find compelling.

withdrawal and Clinton goes and pulls his protect the Bushboy act.

He has done this consistently now for FIVE FOCKING YEARS.

And every now and then he speaks against Bush at Dem gatherings and then many Dems are fooled into thinking he's the only person who speaks for Dems.

the neo-liberals being enablers.

Ma Bush has adopted the prodigal son!

Clinton was always clever with a phrase.

"bush probably believed the information he was relying on was right." Sounds like a sideways zinger from one who most likely knows better. I read that as the intellectually challenged putz has gotten us into a jam and doesn't even know it, but we can muddle our way out it with less leadership from him.

As another great President, Jed Bartlett once said, "how dare we let on that we are educated."

Bush hides that better than anyone I ever saw!

He probably believed it? Tell me, Bill, do you discover this during your last mind meld with Dubya, or has hanging around with Poppy made you soft in the head? He either is such an idiot that he did not understand what he was reading or else he flat-out lied. Considering that he was planning to invade prior to taking office and how much of the case was fabricated or based on disproven assertions and add to that that Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world; the case is pretty clear that WMDs were a cover story.

Saying we should wait until next month to begin a withdrawal strategy is not the say as saying we should stay.

Why do we need to stay and babysit in what is already (not becoming after we leave) "a hotbed of terrorists."

He and Jimmy Carter. They always want to assume that their rivals have good intentions. Sometimes it makes them look flat-out naieve.

I'm not gonna flame him for saying we should wait until after December.

If it were him in power, we wouldn't even be over there.

that is why he is never sent on any humanitarian missions with Poppy, and JC probably likes it that way.

Ah..for poliitcians with principal..those were the days

for a father figure in his life.

an intelligent son who was successful on his own and whom he could be proud of.

:evilgrin:

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wonder if the pics at the Compund have been taped over yet?

Clinton has a point. No point in negotiating with the current government, let's see what the new government has to say.

Besides, the holidays are coming soon - no important decisions will be made until January.

Murtha's proposal also talked of waiting until the Dec elections were over before beginning phased withdrawal.

Why is everyone so angry. As you said, Murtha wanted gradual pull-out after the elections next month also.



Peace

How do they know that staying will do anything more than getting more American´s killed and wasting our money? No one knows!

We do know that the waste will end if we leave. Instead, find a political solution now: divide the country in 3, the Kurds can defend themselves as can the South, let the middle live in peace or die. The refusal to do work for the only real solution is THE Sacred Cow. Politicians owe it to our troops to do the right thing and they know that this political solution will take care of the problem.

The middle won´t allow Al Qaeda to exist, they may even accept their plight and find peace.

they have 100,000 dollar jobs and send everyone else's kids

How do you do that?

;)

... couldn't he just keep his mouth shut?

How about some Democrats that do more than feed at the trough of the status quo? New Dems indeed. Come out come out wherever you are.

willie pete, etc etc. Shame on all the politicians. They will have blood on their hands forever.

Clinton's running for the WH, and he's not a military expert. And, he's too chummy with the Bushes.

Would you say Bill and Hill agree in that regard? And/or are they staking their position for 2008?

.

And, make Hillary! first lady.

stumping for Hillary. Whether that is accurate in reality, meaning that she is running for Prez, doesn't matter as much as many Amerikans believe that she is running already. Bill & Hillary are a power duo.

The funny thing though is that Murtha never said get out now with no precautions taken.

Murtha, Kerry and Korb's plans all show more thoughtfulness for the safety of the troops and the Iraqi people than the media and Clinton are willing to acknowledge.

Flem.

calculation.

Sorry, for all you "Big dawg" lovers.

Bill is trying to sell shit on a shingle as creamed beef on toast.

Way to go Bill & Hill. - Give 'em the ol' 1, 2 (Presidents I mean)

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