We should pull out of Iraq now because????

It is not worth one more American's life to stay there protecting the ultra-richies' interests in the Iraqi oil reserves (and the related contracts involving such).

We invaded the country in direct violation of U.N. law/rules.

The Iraqis, by and large, want us out.

By staying, we are not going to help reduce or eliminate the tribal-related violence.

THEY need to establish the government THEY want, and decide with whom to contract.

But Darth Cheney and Company will NEVER let go of those oil reserves.

maybe I can fix it still...

We can't impose western ideas of democracy on a culture as invested with religion and tribal traditions and feuds as theirs is.

It's hard enough imposing democracy on our very own "christian" nation, much less an islamic culture that claims that the only law is the sharya and it recognizes no other law.

The fact is, Saddam Hussein ran a fairly stable dictatorship, if somewhat brutally. There are much much worse leaders we could have taken out, some of whom are still shamelessly in power, yet we chose this country because it had oil and an oil metering platform that we could "regulate", the way a fox would regulate a henhouse.

The welfare and/or democracy of Iraq was never even remotely why we went there -- we wanted free oil and a fifty year presence in the region.

Our only alternative now is to get out. We knew we were going to fuck it up, we fucked it up, now it's time to go before we fuck it up even worse.

Unwinnable does not mean, to me, that we are "losing" and are running away. It means that this situation cannot be won OR lost because it is not really a war at all. A war requires opposing military or countries. We are NOT at war with Iraq or the Iraqi people. What we ARE trying to do is fight guerillas or insurgents or terrorists as though we are fighting an army. That is why it is unwinnable. It's like living in the desert and declaring war on the sun. It will be back another day, relentless, regardless of what you do. There is no win in Iraq, there is only regroup, retrain, support.

SHOULD WE END THE ILLEGAL OCCUPATION OF IRAQ?

Not a simple pull out.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

Why Immediate Withdrawal Makes Sense
by Michael Schwartz

1.The U.S. military is already killing more civilian Iraqis than would likely die in any threatened civil war;

2.The U.S. presence is actually aggravating terrorist (Iraqi-on-Iraqi) violence, not suppressing it;

3.Much of the current terrorist violence would be likely to subside if the U.S. left;

4.The longer the U.S. stays, the more likely that scenarios involving an authentic civil war will prove accurate.


http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0922-32.htm

This will have consequences for decades.

The illegal invasion of Iraq has accomplished nothing, zilch, nada, but to line the pockets of the arms industry, the "contractors", the oil companies, and the Pentagon.

Now, the politicians and generals are still trying to figure out some way to achieve "peace with honor" by killing more people.

It's time for Nuremberg II.

In the time since March 2003, more Iraqis (and Americans) have been murdered than the prior ten years! The Iraqi infrastructure has never been worse. The Iraqi economy has never been worse. There have never been more "terrorist" attacks in Iraq - in all of history! The corporatization of Iraq is an abomination: a crime against humanity and a war crime.