Larry Johnson: "When did he (Woodward) resign from Naval Intelligence?"

Oh, my ....


Peace.

Good question!

Scanlon turning state's evidence or Fitz's investigation?
I know that all of these stories are intertwined in an incestuous orgy, but curious which one is of paramount importance today?

but I do not claim to be fully objective. (I found Woodward on King to be almost entirely fluff & lies. The only thing that he said that was true was that, in time, Libby's defense team will say nasty things about Bob.)

Here's my message:

You might be interested in taking a look at this...

You've obviously misplaced your copy.

http://spj.org/ethics_code.asp

Code of Ethics
Ethics > SPJ Code of Ethics

Preamble
Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. The duty of the journalist is to further those ends by seeking truth and providing a fair and comprehensive account of events and issues. Conscientious journalists from all media and specialties strive to serve the public with thoroughness and honesty. Professional integrity is the cornerstone of a journalist's credibility. Members of the Society share a dedication to ethical behavior and adopt this code to declare the Society's principles and standards of practice.

<snip>

By compliance, you have betrayed your country. Journalists are trusted as guardians of the truth. You have failed us. Miserably. You will be held accountable.

Grrrrrrr...let's not forget the relationship between Woodward and Poppy! Hell, they go back further than Watergate!
:spank:

Peace.

bunch of phoney baloney's...and to think if he just would have kept his mouth shut....he just passed Wolf Blitzer on my shit list...


http://www.yuricareport.com/Media/OnPatRobertsonWolfeBlitzerAndDavidCorn.html

at every level, and especially in the production offices.

Wow. Why would the 700 Club need a reporter in the Middle East? :shrug:

has a brother in Israel?

It is essential to understanding what's happening now to Dubya. Woodward isn't the only link between Watergate and Plamegate - we again see the JCS, the Agency and the FBI tagteam in action.

Agree with the thesis of Colodny and co-author Bob Gettlin or not, "Silent Coup" is a must-read, must-own book, chock full of details about the Watergate break-in and subsequent cover-up that Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward... well, somehow fauiled to report. In a nutshell:

• Richard M. Nixon was not the criminal mastermind or for that matter a criminal mastermind with respect to cover-up -- he was a dupe rather than initiator.

• Villain number one was John Dean (then-White House counsel), who Colodny and Gittlin show was deeply involved in the Watergate office building break-in and coverup. The reason: the name of his then-girlfriend (and future wife) Maureen Biner had turned up in a notebook linked to a prostitution ring headquartered in or near the Watergate. Dean allegedly never told Nixon about that, instead cooking up a string of persuasive lies to fool the president.

• Villain number two was army general and later White House chief of staff Alexander Haig, who feared exposure of his role in a military network operated by the Joint Chiefs of Staff that was spying on Nixon and on his then-national security adviser, Henry Kissinger.

• Haig was Bob Woodward's secret source. In fact, Haig had had a working relationship with Woodward, a former Navy intelligence briefer. Interviews with Admiral Thomas Moorer (former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman), Melvin Laird (former secretary of defense), and Jerry Friedheim (former Defense Department spokesman) in "Silent Coup" demonstrate that Bob Woodward was lying and continues to lie about his relationship with Haig prior to and during the Watergate crisis.

One cannot help but wonder if there mey be a move by "burned" intelligence professionals and some senior military players to topple Cheney and Bush. Give "Silent Coup" a read if you don't believe it can be done.

I don't know if there's any truth to any of that at all -- but as soon as i trip on this, the authors' credibility is destroyed completely:

• Villain number one was John Dean (then-White House counsel), who Colodny and Gittlin show was deeply involved in the Watergate office building break-in and coverup. The reason: the name of his then-girlfriend (and future wife) Maureen Biner had turned up in a notebook linked to a prostitution ring headquartered in or near the Watergate. Dean allegedly never told Nixon about that, instead cooking up a string of persuasive lies to fool the president.

No, Dean was not involved in the break-in. He was involved in the coverup only to the extent that he later testified. He came clean, testified in full, redeemed himself (in my eyes anyway), served some time, and currently offers up some of the most insightful and principled commentary on Presidential/Constitutional issues you'll find anywhere.

Particularly the early chapters. Dean was far more proactive early on than has been reported in most histories of Watergate, and Colodny and Gettler back up their assertions with a mountain of data, documents and interviews.

I thought it was alittle out there when I read the dust jacket when it was published about 15 years ago -- but see what the authors have to say, and the evidence they uncovered.

Also, check out http://www.watergate.com/ -- Colodny's site. It's a treasure trove of Watergatiana.

but don't they finger Haig as being 'Deep Throat'?

Not that I'm saying they are right or wrong. I don't think it is going to be easy to hack a way through this tangle of disinformation and propaganda, though this book is a help in providing a different perspective.

...Throat", particularly when it became known that one of the senior officers briefed by Woodward when he was a Pentagon briefing officer was General Al Haig.

Wasn't his book on the Bushies called "Worse than Watergate"?

...would like to see the NeoCon Junta removed from power because they have now become a major liability to far rightwing interests.

...would be well-served to read the book.

Dean saved his own ass during the Watergate fiasco by spilling his guts.

Or whatever the equivalent is if the hearings are in the Senate.

Dean saved his own ass during the Watergate fiasco by spilling his guts.

You say that like it's a bad thing, like he should've kept his mouth shut and continued to be part of the coverup instead of helping right triumph. Perhaps you believe he should be condemned for telling the truth and "saving his ass." I don't. I think he is one of the heroes of that sorry era, that sorry administration.

What makes him a stealh-neocon?

the Watergate break-in to cover up Maureen's involvement with Heidi Fleish's callgirl and political spying operation. What is most valuable about the book is the section about Admiral Moorer spying on Nixon and Kissinger (the Yeoman Radford Affair) and about Woodward's early career at ONI and previously unexplained rise at The Post.

Ben Bradlee was Woodward's patron, and may also have had alumnist ties to ONI. As Bradlee explains in his autobiography, he had some unusual duties in the Navy during WWII that seem to be linked to either ONI or OSS. Donald Graham, the late husband of The Post's publisher was CIA, and the paper has deep and long-lasting ties to the Agency.

The Watergate burglary was actually a series of break-ins at the DNC. The second occurred exactly a year after CIA Director Helms refused Nixon's orders to implement phase two of the Huston Plan, the Nixon White House's blueprint for domestic political spying. Both Helms and Hoover opposed Nixon's attempts to enlist them in his partisan political spying, as it threatened their agencies independence from the White House.

The JCS also had their own motives for wanting to take Nixon down. The last Watergate breakin, the one during which the Cubans were caught, occurred a month after the SALT I agreements were signed by Nixon and Breshnev. SALT I and accompanying agreements marked a new era of détente between the two superpowers, a move that was opposed by Moorer and some others at the Pentagon, who also distrusted Kissinger for his role in the Paris Peace Accords that ended the Vietnam War.

See the summary below that wraps it up pretty well: http://www.jfkmontreal.com/admiral_moorer_nixon.htm

The journalistic integrity of Yale graduate Bob Woodward became tainted and comprised years later when it was revealed, by authors Len Colodny and Robert Gettlin, that prior to working at the Washington Post, Woodward had worked at the Pentagon for the Office of Naval Intelligence as a Naval Lieutenant. Silent Coup—a 1991 book by Colodny and Gettlin—reveals that in 1969, the twenty-six-year-old Lieutenant was the briefing officer for Admiral Moorer, head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff who had authorized his subordinates to spy on the White House’s National Security Counsel. A briefing officer sees, hears, reads, and assimilates information from one of several sources and passes it on to more senior officers. This is a coveted position for young officers seeking career advancement. The work is often Top Secret.

Colodny and Gettlin asserted that Admiral Moorer sent Lieutenant Woodward to the basement of the White House to act as a briefer for Alexander Haig.(7) The ramifications of this information are staggering.

I was in my early 20s during Watergate, if Heidi had even been born yet, she was but a child.

This is your comment I'm talking about:

"One cannot help but wonder if there mey be a move by "burned" intelligence professionals and some senior military players to topple Cheney and Bush. Give "Silent Coup" a read if you don't believe it can be done."

Some time ago, some story or other (may have been the stuff about what Porter Goss was doing to the CIA) sparked a conversation btw us. (BTW myself and my "other half".) My spouse is a history buff, grad school in history, etc. Really immersed in the subject.

So my other half sees certain patterns repeating themselves in current events--long before I do. And the assertion this time was that if Dumbya pissed off the CIA, the CIA would get even with him. Because the CIA has gotten even with the powerful before, when they have "messed with it".

So that gave me hope! I began to think the CIA--current and/or former agents--would ride to the rescue and rid us of this horrible president.

So then when I became aware of possible trouble for Bush in the Plame affair (I became aware of it a little over a year ago, through the passing mentions of it in newspapers and on the net), I just had to say "hmmmmmmm!"

The beauty of it is, when they decide to f**k with someone, they can do it w/o ever having fingers pointed at them.

I don't care if my speculation above is accurate or not. I'm just SO DAMN GLAD that Junior is GOING DOWN!

I mean, really, if there IS "a move by burned intelligence officials and some senior military players to topple Cheney and Bush", can we BLAME them? That would mean they want what *I* want, and I say, more power to them!

scandal is how it seems to tie in with America's shadow side. Whatever that is. It's the same cast of characters from Watergate & Iran-Contra, I'm half-expecting the Kennedy assasination to be connected next. You get this sense that there's been another story all along, the real way things work, that isn't the history we've learned. It's a little disconcerting.

The spy and disinformation game is run like a corporation -- it tends to retain its most valuable executives and promote them. Actually, there are a bunch of competing companies in this industry.

You are definitely on the right track. It IS all connected, and the real truth of this nation and perhaps this world has been hidden to most of us for a very long time. Those who look and sound like conspiracy theorists -- apparently not well-respected, liked or even wanted here at DemocraticUnderground.com -- just may have more truth than we have in the past thought. Worth looking into I'd say.

The article says this:

Woodward's long-held silence lends support to critics who say he has grown too chummy with power. He has become a Washington player rather than a Washington reporter. Newspaper readers have to wonder what else he's holding back.

But he wasn't silent at all. He was all over the talk shows putting down prosecutor Fitzgerald and attempting to minimize the investigation.

Don't you wonder what the young Woodward would think of the old Woodward?

I have no more respect for Woodward, he's a typical insider.

wanted Nixon out before he brought them all down with his growing erratic nehavior. Nixon also wasn't fascist enough for their goals.

:hi:

Thom Hartman co-authored a book and spoke of this

...CIA. He does, however, have a long association with the Office of Naval Intelligence going back to his days as an officer in the Navy.

But I do agree that he was part of the behind-the-scenes effort to have Nixon removed from power.

"But I do agree that he was part of the behind-the-scenes
effort to have Nixon removed from power."

So.... whom do you figger he is helping engineer out of power these days??

Yeah, they're playing up the Watergate meme. Why?



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that is precisely why he was given the Watergate story to steer it in the direction those in charge of the Post, etc wanted it to go.

how an essentially entry-level journalist in his 20's was able to gain such access to senior level intelligence officials. Officials that trusted him so completely to take down a sitting President. I specifically said that I was wondering if he hasn't been covert this whole time. He sure as hell has shown a propensity to hide serious secrets. Just the kind of thing you'd expect from someone in "intelligence." Maybe this has just been his cover from Day One.

Tinfoil-ish? Sure. But something doesn't feel right with old man Woodward.

Looking at his bio after what we know about him now, I wonder why a man with a "complete lack of experience as a journalist" would choose to apply at the Washington Post, one of this country's major newspapers. Right after he was discharged (hmm) from the Navy.



I became suspicious of Woodward after he wrote Bush at War, when we learned through his numerous promotional interviews just how chummy he had become with this administration. That made me begin to wonder how such a secretive president would allow such intimacy with the journalist who brought down Nixon -- just didn't add up.

Also interesting that Judy Miller had no background in journalism:

Born in New York to a Jewish father and an Irish Catholic mother, Miller grew up in Miami and Los Angeles, where she graduated from Hollywood High School. Her father, Bill Miller, was a Las Vegas entertainment icon. She graduated from Barnard College in 1969 and received a master's degree in public affairs from Princeton University's Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs. In 1971, while at Princeton, Miller traveled to Jerusalem to research a paper. She became fascinated with the Israeli-Palestinian dispute, and spent the rest of the summer traveling for the first time to Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon.

Miller started at the Washington bureau of the New York Times in 1977, part of a new breed of hungry young hires, prodded in part by the sting of the Times losing the Watergate story to Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein of the Washington Post. She and her boyfriend Steven Rattner, also a Times reporter, became close friends of Arthur Ochs Sulzberger Jr., the son of the then-publisher of the Times, whose first job at the Times, starting in 1978, was also as a reporter of the Washington bureau. For several summers, Miller and Rattner shared a weekend house on the Eastern Shore of Maryland with Sulzberger and his wife, Gail. (Sulzberger would become publisher of the Times in 1992 in his own right.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Miller_%28journalist%29

received one of those anthrax letters. Quite the player, isn't she.

I am not positive, but I think I recall from some research I did--some Republicans in America with Nazi ties, were pressing to make the PLO to be more mainstream in America-- with some money they were getting directly from the Nazis that fled to South America after the war.

Miller was in Miami the article said. When I hear Miami--I think Cuba—and the Cuban CIA connections—I read about all over the place.

What were Woodward’s connections to Florida--around that time in the 70s?

They could of hired her-- with her knowledge or not-- to become a spy to influence The PLO issue.

was released and he was doing his press junket...I kept wondering how he was given such access...

Makes one wonder indeed... :eyes:

...presidents, and the near-removal of two more.

Poppy Bush claims not to have known where he was on November 22, 1963, but a photo has surfaced that places him in Dallas that day. Additionally, dear, sweet Babs spilled the beans about being in Dallas on that day. Nixon was also in Dallas for four days through the morning of November 22nd...he flew out of town as the assination was taking place.

Nixon's removal from office was also engineered by by those that no longer trusted Nixon to carry out their rightwing plans. Woodward may very well have been working with or for Poppy Bush at that time.

During Reagan's attempted assassination by Hinckley, I found it extremely interesting that Neil Bush was about to have lunch that day with Hinckley's brother. Who stood to gain the most by Reagan's assassination? VP Poppy Bush.

And finally, the attacks on Clinton began in 1992 and lasted until the very end of Clinton's second term. The Arkansas Project was a facilitator of many of these attacks, with some of the individuals involved in those attacks having been political allies of Poppy Bush, and later becoming key players in Junior's NeoCon Junta.

When junior set his sights on the presidency, the Bush family should have been warned about what they wished for: If not for junior's blatantly corrupt, inept, no-clue leadership, how many of us would be looking so deeply into their family background? The points you listed are pretty much mainstream among those of us who have watched this administration so closely -- those of us who wonder about all the why's, how's, where's, & when's.

A theory is George Sr. runs the country with the help of his friends, like Dick Cheney.

His son for all intents and purposes does not. He was perhaps used so his father could have his revenge from being beaten by Clinton.

Who's to say?

Once ONI, always ONI.

Woodward is probably a spook.

Thanks

... posted this item when he did.


Peace.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1885134

and find out who Sen Robt. F. Bennett (R-UT) really was. During Watergate he was head of Mullen & Co., who ran the burglars...and was also a CIA-front company 'unbeknownst' to Woodward. Yeah, right.

Read Jim Hougan's Secret Agenda along with Colodny's Silent Coup.

BTW, it's illegal for the CIA to do Operation Mockingbird domestic media manipulations...just as it was illegal for CIA's illegal domestic spying ops in the '70s like Operation Chaos. Without oversight or proper Congressionally approved funding (therefore unconstitutional operations...) these things NEED to be investigated by Fitzgerald's team. They will be judged too if they let this slip by them.

God help us all. The Republic is at stake.

I actually created-- a few minutes ago-- a list of questions for King to ask Woodward (and I am not a reporter) that are similar to the questions your background sources had about Woodward. Larry king tonight did not touch any of those questions at all. Why?

CNN and Psyops
www.counterpunch.org/cnnpsyops.html

During impending and actual wartime the military psyops are active, even domestically. Re-read Wm. Pepper's book Orders To Kill, about the MLK assassination. Military intelligence across the US were tailing King and doing more electronic surveillance on him than the FBI was.

His 'threat' to the war was his exposing of the truth. During preparations and execution of warplans, the 'first casualty' of war is the truth. But when things go south...you need to resusitate it, in a hurry.

:hi:

I'm noticing we're getting more new posters lately, and I'm lovin' it!

If you (Woodward) were a CIA agent would you be--required--to make it public?

Are you a CIA agent?

Where were you at the time of the Watergate Break in?

Have you or-- any of your business partners-- now or on the past-- had connections with any of the people connected with the Watergate break in?

What, how, whom, why, where when did you learn of the Plame scandal?

Why, when, where, whom, how do you plan on dealing with the Plame scandal?

Are you a card carrying Republican?

Have you ever been to Cuba?

Have you ever been to Miami?

I take this very seriously and if I was Bob I'd get ready to have my life laid bare in the next year.

Larry t'aint fuckin' around when he says something like that.

ultimate hypocrites around D.C.. he's turned into the detractors of Watergate.

What was he thinking he could accomplish by publicly berating Patrick Fitzgerald as a "junk yard proscecutor"?

And did bob answer this.."When did he resign from Naval Intelligence?"

Naval intelligence. I think we can assume that Bradlee and the like are intelligent enough to know the difference between a real reporter.

I think he left Naval intelligence when he says he did.

As to what was going on with the leak of Plame's name.. I do buy what Woodward said that he was busy collecting information on the run up to war and Rummy's role and Powell's fight with the neocons inside the WH. I think getting all this information in comparison to the valerie plame leak may have looked more important. I buy what he says. I don't like the things he did. He did make mistakes - but I can very well see that if you are deep within investigations on the lead up to war - that Plame may have looked relatively minor. He is wrong. But I am happy he wrote his book. It tells us alot about how the war was executed and many of the things we talk about today in relation to the WH & going to war - were first reported in Woodward's book.

So he will survive. I do intensely dislike his sycophant-like desire to be seen as on the left-hating side of neutral. That bothers me enormously.

reporter. Just by hanging witht the slime that is this WH & the GOP - he has been slimed.

Just like when anyone (galloway) hung with Saddam Hussein his whole frame of reference became slime.

Creepy nepharious types have a way of diminishing all those who are anywhere near them.

Woodward knew this going in - so I don't feel sorry for him.

Galloway didn't 'hang' with Sadaam Hussein, though that is the smear his enemies on the right like to paint him with.

Who carry on with smears when you know, or could easily know, that they are not true.

So why do you do that?

flesh out of the soul of anyone they come in direct contact with. Look at Galloway on Wikipedia. They don't think he is a complete angel and are bewildered at the way he flipped on human rights in Iraq - starting out as one of the most vocal opponents to the genocide and gassing Saddam was responsible for in the 1980s - to someone who was in fact doing the odd shady deal (even if it was only one transaction - it was shady).

That was my point.

Do you have any evidence of 'shady deals'?

Wikipedia can be edited by anyone so it is hardly surprising that the Galloway entry has been used to continue the smear campaign.

Galloway has not 'flipped' on human rights in Iraq. Quite the opposite. It is the USUK which has 'flipped' on torture, assassination and chemical weapons, if I recall correctly. Yet it is Galloway that still attracts the venom of some on the 'left'.

he gassed those villages of Kurds, and then having tea with him a decade later.. is bad judgement. It is not a smear.

We do nothing but fall into a trap if we think our leaders and heroes are absolutely perfect. They are not. And Galloway is a long term politician so he is going to have a long list of things in his life and compromizes he has made - that make him a human human instead of a perfect human (which don't exist but try telling that to Bush supporters, Rummer fans or Rovebots - the freepers think their man is god).

Galloway has some issues.

Chestnut? That tired ole canard is well tired and old. WTF does this mean "And Galloway is a long term politician so he is going to have a long list of things in his life and compromizes he has made - that make him a human human instead of a perfect human "?

A human human? Being a long term politician equates with a long list? A Christmas list? A grocery list? :wtf:

And let me point something out to you apple, up thread when MADem was making a point about slimy people and he posted the Rummy Saddam photo he did so NOT to agree with YOUR point but to agree with the poster who was debating your spurious and broad broash claims. You make this mistake often. How do I know this? Because two times I have chimed in on threads to disagree with you and you think I am actually supporting you.

Your reading comprehension skills have some issues.

I think.

Please provide some, any, evidence against Galloway or stop repeating right wing smears.

Julianer's prediction - Your reply to this will be 'how dare you accuse me of right wing smears' and more smears.

Good on you to be a member of the Respect Party!

How well do you know Bath?

I visited Mrs. Beatrice Hobbs three times over a period of 10 years. I have not been back since she passed. But I live in Sicily now so I am not that far. Maybe I will plan a trip next spring. It is lovely then!

but I expect I've brushed shoulders with a Hobbs at some point. Bath is great. I moved away for close to 20 years and came back to see the city afresh. It is statuesque, Gormenghastian in parts, and the parks do look lovely in the springtime.

Fascinating stuff. I had heard of some of it, such as Mary Meyer, but I hadn't realized how interconnected it all was. Thanks!

Wish they'd find Poppy in a canoe, naked, on the Potomac, some night.

...CIA route, while Woodward took the ONI direction.

He FOLLOWED THE MONEY!

this stuff is starting to make sense.:popcorn:

around?

Thanks for the great article by Larry Johnson. Now we are getting the truth on Mr. Woodward and not just a Larry King cop out!

Who could ever forget Linda Tripp?

scroll down a little and see at

http://ciaschool.tripod.com/

Can you imagine where we would be without his voice?

Larry Johnson is a true patriot. A moderate Republican who is intelligent, honest, dogged and always accurate in his analysis. It's people like him who stand up for what is right and true that make America so great. He goes to show you that ideology should never trump what is morality right and just.

... Sanity have been doing remarkable service to the truth and our Nation since early 2003. Unfortunately, most of our fellow citizens and most Members of Congress didn't read or listen to what they were stating, authoritatively, in Feb/Mar, 2003.

You can find a summary of several of their statements in this pamphlet:

http://missionnotaccomplished.us/WTPv17n.pdf

Feel free to share it with everyone you know. I sent draft copies to Larry and Ray McGovern at the outset of writing it.


Peace.

I was not aware that Woodward has been doing harm for decades - I thought it was more recent than that.

I thought he used to do some good stuff. For example, he did have a big role in bringing Nixon down, didn't he? And, his book, "The Brethren" was excellent, and some of his others were quite good as well.

But his recent fluff pieces on Bush, like "Bush at War", were disgusting. It's hard to imagine how a person could change like that.