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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:32 PM
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Woodward's shaky voice and demeanor proves to me,...
,...he has completely sold out.

Whore!!!

I am disappointed! I still needed to give the guy the benefit of the doubt; but, he has proven his willingness to set aside the truthful reality.

I don't know why I allowed myself to believe this man actually cared about either the integrity of the media in a democracy or had any inkling of honor with respect to democracy. I feel like a damn fool!!!

FUCK!!!!
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:33 PM
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1. Bernstein is definitely the more ethical of the two. n/t
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:35 PM
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2. You aren't a fool, just ever hopeful...
I was hopeful, too. My instinct is that people are going to believe his lies, cause he is Bob Woodward. I hope there is a way to call him on these lies that he is telling right now.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:45 PM
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8. I dunno about that. I was just speaking with my conservative Mom,...
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 09:46 PM by Just Me
,...on the phone as we were both watching him. She was the one who observed how "nervous" he seemed to be. I said, "Mom,...he's just not being truthful,...he's being 'protective' of something."

She agreed that, at the very least, something is very wrong.

Thing is,...Woodward's media appearances just make me freakin' SICK!!! These appearances are just,...wrong,...somehow. I can't put my finger on everything about that which is totally fucked up,...but, I just KNOW his appearances are off the mark of truth, honor and integrity.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:24 PM
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12. yes, exactly, there is something very disturbing there.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:39 PM
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18. Just wondering
Did anyone get that same sense from his editor, Downie? When I watched an interview w/him, he also seemed... off, somehow. He didn't display any anger, or annoyance at what Woodward had done, seemed nervous & kept repeating what an asset Woodward is. I had assumed Woodward was off on his own on this, but something about Downie's apppearance made me think he was lying. Just intuition, I guess.
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:22 AM
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29. I hope that most people are more sensitive about being lied to...
and more perceptive in spotting the lies being told, like your mom.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:36 PM
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3. This might help....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5424

Larry Johnson: "When did he (Woodward) resign from Naval Intelligence?"
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:36 PM
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4. But But But..he's just a "ruh-porder"
:)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:30 PM
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14. Good One! How many times does he keep saying that over and over
"ruh-porder." :eyes: He also kept saying to Larry King "that's what 'ru-porders do'...like Larry King doesn't have enough sense to know what the News business is about. :rofl:
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:39 PM
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5. his caginess about Cheney speaks volumes
he wouldn't even say if he MET with Cheney. Blinking red lights.

he also called his double supersekrit source a "he."
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 11:04 PM
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26. does he quote Cheney in his book?
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 11:05 PM by Stephanie
how can he lie about that? it must be a matter of record.
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:40 PM
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6. He's LYING!! He's using his words carefully, thinking his way thru
He's a big liar!
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:43 PM
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7. I've totally lost what little respect I had left for him
I don't know if he's lying or not, but he had conflicts of interest and knew he had information relative to the CIA Leak case and he sat on it. All the talking in the world on a tv show isn't going to salvage his reputation
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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:35 PM
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16. He can take a flyin' rah porter leap in the lake.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 09:48 PM
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9. I posted this earlier today:
Bob Woodward: History will record your name with an asterix


Bob, it's the stuff of tragedy. Your own fatal flaw has doomed your legacy. Was it the money, Bob? They say it corrupts like nothing else. You wanted to get in good with the guys who were handing you those massive tax breaks, was that it? Sure, you've always been a Republican, but, gosh, Bob. We thought you were a little better. What happened?

Bob Woodward.* Used to be synonymous with exposing corruption at the highest levels of government. Now synonymous with "sell out."

Looking back, don't you think you should have quit the game while you were ahead? You didn't really need to write those puff-piece books propping up the Bush administration, now, did you? In retrospect, it probably wasn't worth it, don't you think?

Also, did you think about the cocktail parties when you were doing your very own cover-up? All those people who used to glance at you admiringly across the room with their Chardonnay in their hand ... Don't you wonder what they're thinking now? Doesn't it kind of get under your skin that many of them will look at you with disappointment in their eyes?

Don't you miss your reputation for ferreting out the truth rather than being complicit in hiding it?

What a waste, Bob. Such a waste.

Here's the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5420982
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:14 PM
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11. Real "Republicans" expect TRUTH, too!!!
They do,...the REAL ones do. They are the ones who HATE government abuse.

FUCK!!!

Our country has become an asylum run by the con artists and criminally insane!!!!

We have GOT to get control over this insanity!!!
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:07 PM
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10. Sorry, but Woody sold out long time ago. Now he's taken a serious
self-inflicted hit to his vaunted reputation and he's not getting kudos thrown at him. I think it has him rattled. (But remember this is the same guy who famously got a death bed interview out of a guy who was in a coma.)
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:26 PM
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13. He had "dry mouth" on Larry King's show. Lots of swallowing.
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 10:27 PM by KoKo01
Sign of someone who's sweating so hard his mouth can't keep up the saliva production. He looked guilty as hell...trying to "explain" his way out of everything. He even lied and said that Fitz's Timeline was wrong and he felt he needed to tell him that Libby wasn't the first person to talk to reporters about Plame...like he, Woodward, was Mr. Bobby Whistle Blower Good guy.

Thank goodness Whore CNN had the guts to then show the clip of Fitz saying Libby was "first known" Administration Official to speak to reporters trying to out Plame. Woodward had conveniently left out "first known." I give credit to CNN for posting that clip...it totally contradicted Woodward's lie. (which he had to know was a lie...since he's such an "ace, crackerjack reporter." :eyes:
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Autumn Colors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:32 PM
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15. Maybe he's been threatened?
Just a though.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:38 PM
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17. At first I thought that and than I thought
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 10:39 PM by goclark
that he is protecting either Bush and/or Cheney.

When the truth comes out he will say that it was "such hard work talking about it because he would never want to cause the government of the United States to come unraveled."

Right --- Tell it to All The President's Men in the Nixon's WH.
Edit to Add: He is more than eager to get that new book some air time on King's show.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:50 PM
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21. So what?
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 10:52 PM by Just Me
He has no financial worries, whatsoever.

Who could threaten him beyond that? Is he really so wimpy that he could be intimidated? :shrug:

Surely, he has more courage than all those people who have sacrificed their lives taking a stand for a REAL democracy and REAL freedom from oppression and REAL equality in justice and opportunity and human hope. I mean, DAMN, the man is richer than 95% of the human population,....he MUST be brave enough to stand up to "threat".

BAH!!!!

Human courage is surviving being an Iraqi, today.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:58 PM
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24. Courage - is there any left in the media?
Does anyone remember when Woodward gallantly offered to do Judith Miller's jail sentence for her? At the same time, he was hiding the same exact information because he was afraid of a subpeona. The man is not a model of courage.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:40 PM
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19. Is this on video anywhere?
She asks hopefully.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:44 PM
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20. His mouth just bugs the shit out of me
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 10:45 PM by Blue_Roses
Everytime I see him he looks like he has lipstick on and it's the wrong shade! I think he is so full of himself and he is now obviously lying. I watched him on Larry King the night before the indictment on and he looked nervous.

I think he is whoring big time and I hope he gets caught at it. I think Fitzgerald knows he isn't the real deal with his so-called "info" and that's why he isn't really putting the pressure on him.

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readermostly Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:53 PM
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22. Yes, I agree. Whatever happened to the Bob Woodward that we once
knew - the man of integrity and getting at the truth. I've been disappointed in him for quite a while in his tv interviews, but I thought he was (maybe) just trying to play devil's advocate. After this Larry King performance, it's clear that he knows he has squandered his integrity and history's legacy of him. He was soooo unconvincing and very disappointing to me, anyway.
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 11:01 PM
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25. I'm not sure that man ever existed
Edited on Mon Nov-21-05 11:05 PM by Marie26
Except in our imaginations. Maybe the story we know of a young intrepid reporter who put together the pieces to bring down a corrupt President was wrong all along. Maybe he was instead a well-placed insider w/intelligence contacts who simply acted as a mouthpiece for information from a government agency. The same behavior that got Judith Miller fired might have been what made Woodward's reputation.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 10:56 PM
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23. Woody wasn't co-opted. He was used by his superiors.
I can't prove this, but it seems to me the War Party got mad at Nixon because Tricky Dick tried to make peace with the Soviets (detente) and opened the doors to Red China. So, Nixon had to go. The Watergate burglary got bungled by McCord, the "ex-" FBI/CIA guy who taped the security door at the Watergate complex. The guy who got to tell the story? Bob Woodward, ex-ONI.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmccordJ.htm

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 11:12 PM
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27. Woodward, uncannily close to the highest centers of power

Secret Admirers: The Bushes and the Washington Post, Part II

By Michael Hasty

<snip>

The most important propaganda stage the Post has built for George W to act the role of "president" upon was, of course, what the corporate media still prefers to portray as the "defining moment" of Junior's reign—the events of September 11. The challenge was made more difficult by Bush's Fredo Corleone performance on the day the attacks occurred. After acting clueless enough to dawdle in front of a classroom of second-graders for nearly a half-hour following the crash of the second plane, he then spent the rest of the day flying erratically around the country ("Just trying to get out of harm's way," as he later told a reporter), and appearing perplexed and too small for his suit as he addressed a national television audience that night.

This was a job for Superman—which the Post provided in the form of its premier Washington insider, presidential chronicler and US Navy Intelligence veteran, the legendary Watergate reporter, Bob Woodward. Along with Post reporter Dan Balz, Woodward employed his impeccable journalistic fellatio in an eight-part, front-page series of articles giving a moment-to-moment White House account of the first days of the "war on terror," inflating the image of a cowardly dauphin into that of a credibly decisive commander-in-chief. The articles became the basis for Woodward's subsequent bestseller, "Bush At War"—which is probably best viewed as a sequel to his book about the first Gulf War, "The Commanders," featuring many of the same characters.

Woodward's relationship to the Bush family is particularly interesting (see Part 1 of this series for more details). For the uninitiated, Woodward fairly successfully inoculated himself from any future suspicion that he might be too close to the subjects of his writing with his historic coverage of the Watergate scandal. In the matrix of the corporate media, Woodward is still portrayed as the archetypal intrepid investigative reporter who, with his scruffy partner, Carl Bernstein, spoke truth to power and brought down a president.

In the real world, Woodward has proven to be uncannily close to the highest centers of power.


http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/021104Hasty/021104hasty.html

Part 1 of the article is at:

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Media/020504Hasty/020504hasty.html
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Marie26 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:19 AM
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28. Here's a transcript
of the CNN interview for anyone who might have missed it. He does stammer a lot!

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0511/21/lkl.01.html
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