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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:45 PM
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Rush is on the radio discussing the plight of workers
that is, workers who make $175k a year or more.

"You know folks, I was down in Mexico last week at a golf tournament, and I really got to get out there and talk to some regular folks. And, let me tell you, do you know what their number one concern was? It wasn't the war, it wasn't the economy, it wasn't immigration: It was taxes.

"They said to me, 'You know, Rush, when I was in High School and College, if somebody told me I'd be making $175k a year, I'd have been estatic. I'd be living like a Rockefeller, or so I thought. But what can we do about lowering our taxes?"


This is exactly why that gasbag, drug-abusing pigboy is so infuriating. He apparently speaks for the common man, but he is so out of touch that he thinks $175k a year is a median salary for the middle class!


And, BTW, of course those people wouldn't be concerned with the war or unemployment. They don't have to worry about their jobs, they have enough money to be ok for a while if they do lose their jobs, and they probably don't even know anyone who is actually fighting in Iraq.



Its amazing that this fat freak has any credibility at all, among any of his listeners.
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:47 PM
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1. Regular folks, my ass....
typical for this out-of-touch asshole
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:47 PM
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35. Gee! I wish I could be a regular folk.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:47 PM
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2. Hmmmmm
I don't make $175 a year and I thought I was in the low median. Guess I better go talk to my boss about a raise.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:51 PM
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6. Reminds me of an episode of The Critic, where Duke (the boss)
runs for President.

He says he wants to spend time with the common man, to know what its like to be "the average Joe, who makes $300k a year"
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:54 PM
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37. Yeah I thought of that too
And Doris's comeback.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:07 PM
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39. Can I have an advance on my 300 grand?
Didn't Duke just pull the money out of his pocket?
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:49 PM
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3. A governor makes $175,000. REAL workers make $50k, typically $30k.
Rush can go oink himself.
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wryter2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:50 PM
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4. That can't help him with his audience
They have to be sitting there wondering :wtf:?
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:55 PM
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10. Actually it does help him and here is how
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:04 PM by GreenPartyVoter
The rich dangle the "American Dream" carrot in front of these people and whisper, "You can be like us too. You WILL be like us too! Don't you want to save your hard-earned money when you join our ranks? Better help sort out the tax situation now, my friend. See you at the club someday!"

And that's the ultimate grotesquerie about it.. the way they get the poor and working class to vote against their own interests by offering them dreams that will never come true. x(
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:59 PM
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14. It's the old Horatio Alger myth
That the rich plant in the minds of the poor.

"With enough hard work and determination, you'll be rich just like us. Because this is America!"


Meanwhile, in the real world, if getting rich was that easy, everyone would be rich.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:02 PM
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18. Problem is, these people are shut out of that very exclusive club by
the likes of the GM greed pigs and their ilk, ie cost cutting union busting greed pigs and these people who are hoping to catch the brass ring of the American Dream never get that, they just don't get that.
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amitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:03 PM
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20. You nailed it on the head. n/t
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:15 PM
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25. "Cargo Cult ReTHUGlicanism" in action.
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:16 PM by BiggJawn
"Yes, I KNOW you're sitting in a leaky shack with 3 used-up Trans-Ams in the yard. Yes, I KNOW you barely have a pot to piss in, much less be able to afford the water to flush it with, but friends, listen to Ol' Rushbo hwen I tell you that if YOU keep voting for GOOD, GODLY GOP men, that SOME DAY, your ship will come in, just like it did for Donald Trump, Ben Stein, Dick Cheney, and all the rest of my rich fiends!"

On Edit: y'know, I WAS gonna fix that typo, but I think it works better as "fiends"...
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:53 PM
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44. I know dozens of these
wanna bees. They're no where close to being in that top income tax group they so vehemently declare is being so unfairly treated. In fact, these folks have no more money than you or me.
BUT. They live in the wanna be world where in their mind, I vote Republican FatCat...therefore I AM.
And. They're not.
They get soaked and used and thrown away. And Rush and the Bushies laugh all the way to the exclusive golf course in the gated community where the dupes they live off of can't get in.
Ever.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 05:59 PM
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45. My BIL is one of them. Won't hear of ceilings on CEO pay because
or higher taxes levied against them. "It's their money, they earned it they should get to keep it"

Typical RW Christian that he is.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:57 PM
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13. BINGO!
As soon as he specifies "regular folks" making $175,000, people making less will be saying, "What? We make $90,000 combined and we're 'regular folks'. Those $175K and up people don't have a CLUE about my taxes. I can't afford any more taxes and he wants to give MORE in tax cuts to these guys???"

He just set the bar. :rofl:
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:00 PM
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15. Part of me thinks he picked that number
because he knows most of his audience believes that they will be making that much within the next five years, if it weren't for liberals and regulations and unions who kept holding them back...


:eyes:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:17 PM
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Not really, he didn't tell them the $175K whiners were caddies
and that the only way any "humble" job will pay that much is if it's directly attached to some rich guy with the wealth of a small country and an ego to match.

Entourages are paid very well. Joe Socketwrench is listening to him and thinking he just needs an introduction to one of these guys, and he'd be sitting pretty and wouldn't want to pay taxes, either.

Meanwhile, read the New Democrats' list of platform positions (copied word for word by both Gore and Kerry) and ask yourself how many of them would benefit people in that $30K-$50K range, and how many won't really do much until people are making well over $100K.

Lamebawl knows his audience. It's a pity the Democratic Party has lost touch with theirs.



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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:50 PM
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5. What kind of regular folks frequent golf tournaments in Mexico?
His world is as full of reality as CBS' Survivor.
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:56 PM
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12. The kind that make $175,000 a year
But struggle to get by.

Those Country Club dues are a real bear.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:44 PM
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33. Maybe they're from PA and suffering high property taxes, too.
:sarcasm:
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AValdoux Donating Member (738 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:51 PM
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7. He goes to golf tournaments..
..in Mexico to reconnect with the common man?


AValdoux
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:02 PM
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17. Funny, isn't it?
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Sandpiper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:53 PM
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8. In Rush's world "Regular Folks" hang out at "Golf Tournaments"...
And make $175,000 a year.


Wealth really does detach people from reality.


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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:53 PM
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9. Good gawd
Their taxes are probably higher than MY yearly salary.

Ok, here's the deal - I will GLADLY trade my salary for theirs. Then their tax burden would be significantly lowered.

Works for me :)
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:55 PM
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11. *lol* I like the way you think *high five*
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:02 PM
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16. I was thinking the same thing
Rush was expressing that one of the guys indicated that its not worth it to earn $175k, because of the tax burden.

He made it sound like earning that amount was a curse.

Well, hell, you know what? I'd take that much at a 50% tax rate, in trade for my current salary...
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:17 PM
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28. My cousin the doctor
pays more for her annual malpractice premium than my yearly salary.

<sigh> I just can't relate to that world at all.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:44 PM
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34. What a marvelous idea. Let me know if you have a surplus of
people willing to make that trade and I'll help you with the excess.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:37 PM
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41. Okay Granny
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:02 PM
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19. If labor was paid more fairly, they'd pay more taxes.
I don't understand why "supply-side" delusions only apply to the top 1%. Why not apply the same crap to the bottom 99%? I don't know what bothers me more, the completely bankrupt rationales for making the wealthy wealthier or the idiocy of a public that swallows that horse shit.






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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:04 PM
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21. That's there for the true believers. They are the ones getting screwed up
the ass daily by the wealthy and they come back for more because they believe that someday they will be the screwer and not the screwee. All the while they are helping the wealthy get wealthier and they will go on getting screwed up the ass until the day they die. On their death bed they will blame themselves for their sore ass holes. Another name for these folks is freeper.

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DaveColorado Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:04 PM
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22. Median household income
Median household income in 2000 (national): $41,994

Source:

http://www.epodunk.com/


I don't know if it's any lower or higher 5 years later. My guess is it might be lower.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:13 PM
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23. Times are tough. The average family can't make it on $175k anymore
:puke:

But in the same show, even in the same half hour, Rush dedicated a good deal of time discussing how good the economy was.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:13 PM
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24. By all means, let him spew his shit.
Think about it. He is telling his listeners that $175,000 is the average pay for workers.

His loyal listeners would then think, 'What, I'm getting screwed! Huh? How can that be, I don't even know anybody making that much money, so how can $175,000 be average? Hum, something is wrong with what Rush is saying.'
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:15 PM
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26. If they were capable of that level of critical thinking
they wouldn't be Dittoheads or Bushbots
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:17 PM
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27. He yaks about the military as well - something else he knows nothing about
rush should stick to what he knows best, drug abuse, hating, lying, being a coward and maintaining the sanctity of marriage over and over again.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:22 PM
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29. You forgot rapid weight loss
Interesting that while he lost all that weight he was addicted to a drug that, as one side effect, decreased the appetite...
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:26 PM
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31. And lets add loneliness to that list of what he knows
He has no friends, no social life, just acquaintances around who see an opportunity to use him. Women with pre-nups in their back pocket (I'll stay with you for five years for 10 million, but not a day longer.) Vice Presidents of the United States who require such a microphone because they lack legitimacy.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:24 PM
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30. He must of sucked
Or else he'd be talking up his great golf score.
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:29 PM
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32. How can he even play with his bad back?
You know, the one for which he needed so much oxycontin.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:50 PM
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36. With enough oxy, 18 holes are a breeze. It's the 19th that's tricky.
Doubling up on booze and "hilbilly heroin" makes for an interesting afternooon.

I wish that asshole would choke on one of his oversized, compensatory cigars. :grr:
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:02 PM
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38. At 175,000 you are taxed the same as the super rich...
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:04 PM by LeftHander
But you don't have the tax credits, shelters and methods to hide the income that the real rich have.

175,000 household income is not uncommon for the vast upper middle class with two professional incomes. You can afford the big McMansion, SUV's etc...(at least you can get the credit) I say tax cuts for lower, middle class up to 200K and then raise taxes on the wealthy whose net worth exceeds 2 million. People who make more that 200k need to figure out how to live on that.

The tax code is designed to hammer the middle and upper middle class. To prevent them from sharing in the wealth that the super wealthy have. Becasue if they did it would mean less money for the super wealthy. It is about wealth distibution. The super rich want to remain super rich. and surprise surprise....many of them are in government.

So I would agree with Rush (once) lower taxes on those below 200k but RAISE it on those above including Corporations....A LOT. Fund free higher education, healthcare and gaurentee Social Secrutiy for all. Kill off a couple of carrier groups, stop making bombs, tax the crap out of oil to fund alternative energy infrastructure grants. Now that is PROGRESS!!

Distribute some of that obscene wealth that america's super wealthy keep to themselves to people that really need it. The poor, the sick and elderly.

Legalize weed, tax it and lets get LOADED with compassion!!!

lol





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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:13 PM
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40. It was unclear if he meant combined or single
but the tone implied single income. As in, my yearly salary is 175,000.

Yeah, they are taxed more than the millionares because they can't get the loopholes, but to suggest that these people have a difficult life or that their income is a burden is just ludicrous.

Of course, I'd wager that a good 95% of his audience doesn't make nearly that much, even with all combined income.

And while you and Rush would find common ground on the need to lower taxes for those making less than $200k a year (which I aggree with), that's where it would end.

He would disagree that we should raise taxes for those over $200k and for corporations (hell, I'd be happy if they would even pay their fair share that they are supposed to pay now). And you know he would never support free higher education and free health care.

I kinda got the impression, though, that in this monologue Rush was setting up a flat-tax pitch.
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Ms. Clio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:49 PM
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43. What a great post, I think that sounds like such a sane policy
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:53 PM by Ms. Clio
I wish a Dem candidate would adopt it in its entirety. Kevin Phillips' book Wealth and Democracy: A Political History of the American Rich explains very clearly how we regular folks get screwed by the extremist ultra-rich.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:49 PM
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42. I can't stand him either
And no they wouldn't be concerned with the war. They aren't involved and they shouldn't worry about it unless they know someone involved.
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