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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 12:57 PM
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Poll question: Life plans
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:01 PM by HypnoToad
A)
Buy nothing but the essentials. Let the disgusting pigs who cary at job losses in turn cry because we will not buy another piece of plastic, with or without plastic.

B)
Buy and be happy while we can. We all know that life changes and we may die tomorrow in an automobile accident.

C)
See choice A, but with the addition I've got friends and family who may or more likely may not be able to help with my job end or when the crash comes.

D)
Other - do tell! (please do respond and say what your plans are! :beg: )



I've made my choice, whichever one that is... What's yours?
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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:06 PM
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1. Just please don't join the military. Please. nm
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MindPilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:09 PM
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2. I fall somewhere between A & B
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:10 PM by MindPilot
I'm by no means living a minimalist lifestyle, but I'm certainly cutting back. Earlier this year, I had the heat & a/c unit replaced in my house and that will probably be my last major purchase for a while. (Unless some other big appliance thing goes tits up.) I don't do xmas buying, I have no plans to buy a new car, furniture, or anything like that. I just buy the day-to-day stuff most of which is related to home upkeep.

Edited to make sense.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:12 PM
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3. My plans are to buy what I need
and make myself happy buying for my loved ones. I'm not a big consumer, anyway. Well, I'm BIG but not much of a consumer

For the future, well...I have some acreage with three small sheds and everything I need to survive as long as I can plant a garden and it keeps raining in FL. I've lived there before with no running water or electricity (for seven months) and I know I can do it.
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:34 PM
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4. Well, since this topic takes up almost all of my time
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:53 PM by Cats Against Frist
I'll give you the details.

For at least ten years, I was choice "A," and happy to be so. I/We lived about as sparingly as possible. When I was with my ex-boyfriend, he had a $50,000/yr job, and I had a $20,000/yr job, and we lived in a very small apartment and drove a used 1993 Jeep Cherokee, and a 1985 Honda Civic hatchback. We bought bargain-basement food, and really didn't do too much. Every once in a while, we'd splurge on clothing, but our only real "treat" was that we went out to a locally owned restaurant, every Saturday night.

But, at that time, I wasn't up on organics, buying American, buying mostly locally, secondhand, making my own stuff, etc., so the little that we did buy was not responsible.

Over the course of about five years, I got educated about buying locally, community-supported ag, learned how to bake and knit and garden, learned about responsible companies, and how to purchase most things secondhand.

Now, I'm with a new boyfriend, we have a son, and we live in a 1600 sq. ft. 1895 Victorian home in BFE in Iowa, we have a 1990 Ford Ranger pick-up, and just traded in our 97 Lumina, on a Made-in-Germany 2001 VW Jetta Wagon. We make about $4,000 a month, after taxes, and though a lot of money still goes to past tuition, overdue student loans, etc., we do buy much more "stuff" than we did, before.

Luckily, I have learned about how to be a responsible consumer, and research most companies and products, before I buy things from them. I make as much as I can, from scratch, purchase used goods or responsibly made goods, and buy secondhand. I'm more into home decorating, and we have a few more electronic gadgets than we used to, but mostly, we're still very thrifty.

The answer to the philsophical question is this: I don't know. I don't know if I'm happier NOW, or before. The steady income is "gentrifying" me, and, I'm not sure how to handle it. It has permeated every aspect of my existence. I used to wear the same clothes, every day, never brush my teeth or wash my hair, chainsmoke, and I was a lot more grumpy. But, now, I take much better care of myself, eat organic food, drive this shiny blue car, and live in this fairytale-looking house. It's weird. I remember, when I was a minimalist, I had completly lobbied for the abolition of material wealth, and had honestly gotten past almost all consumerism, and I'm now, more often, finding things that I don't need, but I want. It's the "want" that bothers me, and I don't wish for that to consume my life.

I was raised by two consumer television watchers, who, despite the fact that they're Dems, are the ultimate caricature of the wasteful American. They're overweight, they have a giant SUV, eat at McDonald's, shop at Wal-Mart, follow American Idol like it's the second coming, have puffy couches, eat white bread, etc. They're good people, though, and somehow they managed to still teach me a lot more than consumption. Perhaps my concern with it has always been a backlash against my parents.

I had a REAL HARD TIME buying the VW, because of how "typical," it is, for a liberal, organic food-eating, egghead-glasses-wearing "poet," to be cruising around in a Jetta Wagon, particularly because my boyfriend we be replacing his truck with a Westfalia, when it poops out.

I didn't want to become this caricature. Or, did I? What is it that compels me toward these things? I'm sure some of it is marketing, and some of it is this: very few people, despite their proclaimed "non-prejudice," and their egalitarianism, are open to people who are so "out there," that they don't follow the normal conventions. In some ways, I miss that slovenly, dirty girl that I was, but "cleaning up," has gained me respect in a population that you wouldn't think would: writers and artists.

I hang out mostly with Seattle liberals and writers and scupltors, and we're all practically mirror images of each other. Even some of the most "innovative" poets in the nation -- you get them all in a room, and they look similar, they act similar, and they do similar things. Some might get more drunk than others, or operate under some kind of semi-hedonistic narrative, but it doesn't change the fact that the person comes rolling up to the grad house, stepping out of their small, foreign car with a falafel sandwich and a Naked juice. There are very few people who truly deviate from the norm. Perhaps its because of class -- almost all of us have been through grad school, and are the children of relatively affluent, white parents -- many are Ivy League undergrads, which has always mystified me.

On the other hand, I used to hang out with a band of n'er-do-wells in Fremont, in Seattle, and most of them were poor and drunk all the time, and didn't have the "creature comforts," but many of them still dressed "alternative" and had the thick-rimmed glasses, and listened to and watched the same stuff.

Sorry this is such a ramble, but this all just fascinates me. To answer your question about "buying what we can, because we could die tomorrow," I think I will say: "with all things, moderation." I guess I would just say that, myself included, that when we buy into the mass-market, we become mass-marketed people. The best thing would be to stave off as much of this as possible, while still being semi-comfortable, and making the most of the money you earn. I see no shame in that, like I used to. I just wish that people would diversify, non-homogenize, and be more eclectic and responsible consumers.

*sp

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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:42 PM
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5. Oh -- and I'm not too worried about the crash
...as long as I'm in Iowa, when it happens. If I'm in Seattle, I'm fucked, unless I can get back here. Here, in the wide-open space, a few hours South, I have an entire family of famers and hunters and well-water drinkers. My extended family, on my mom's side are all rural, and have tons of wooded acreage, etc. We could close ranks and turn into survivalists, easy.

And, anyway, if a crash comes, it doesn't matter if you were "thrifty" or not, because everything's going to be worth shit. I wouldn't worry about saving for any kind of monumental crash. I would, however, suggest that people have some kind of land to get to.

That said, I think it's a good idea to save. We try to put away $500 - $700 a month. You never know what could happen that's not necessarily "full-blown crash" but is just "major emergency."
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:49 PM
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6. Question about BFE, Iowa.......
is that anywheres near Dubuque, Iowa ?
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Cats Against Frist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:51 PM
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7. I live in a small town outside of Iowa City
I think Dubuque is up north, somewhere. I've lived in Iowa for about 2.5 years, but I'm really a Washingtonian-Illinoisan, so I don't know too much about this state, outside of about a 40 mi. radius of my house. :)
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:54 PM
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8. Yes, Dbq. is east and north of Iowa City....
i grew up in Dbq. but moved to the Quad Cities in 1976.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:56 PM
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10. I barely get half your pay after taxes... and I chose "B".
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 01:56 PM by HypnoToad
None of us lives forever.

I don't see a pickup in the job market.

We all die at some point.

"A" only works when we all work together. And as a populace, we're too damn large to do anything together (never mind my usual comments about society, which somewhat tie into this indirectly...) So boycotting can not make a difference when you consider how large they are.

I, by and large, am responsible these days but I don't see how I can pay off the remainder of my irresponsible days and I'm starting to feel ill about even trying to do the right thing; from what I've seen those running society do. (not * and his wasteful spending but the banks themselves.) I could have offe3d myself owing $35,000. I owe about $13,000 now and I don't think I've got the time left in which to pay it off.

Still, I tried. And it's less of a write-off for those poor banks.

Like I said. Live happy while you can. And buy "Final Exit" if you still can. You never know.

:shrug:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:56 PM
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9. live cheap and save
Anyone know any good investments???
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 01:57 PM
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11. You are asking me? In a thread that isn't relevant? About a topic that
will fail when the crash comes? You're basically giving them free money.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:01 PM
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12. how am i giving them free money
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:02 PM by LSK
Because I want the money I save to earn more than 2% interest. So I will have more money to prepare me for when/if a crash comes??

I dont buy new cars, I dont buy big screen tvs, I dont have a DVD collections. I rarely use credit cards. I save money in order to get out of the rat race and or survive a crash.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 02:07 PM
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13. I guess B
Edited on Tue Nov-22-05 02:07 PM by bryant69
Because I'm a selfish and short sighted person.

Also I can't get enough of old tv shows on DVD and World of Warcraft.

Bottom line; I just don't give damn.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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