War Stance Isolates Lieberman

War Stance Isolates Lieberman
As He Urges U.S. To Stay Course, Own Party Takes Aim At Him
November 23, 2005


By DAVID LIGHTMAN, Washington Bureau Chief WASHINGTON -- Joe Lieberman's view of the United States' mission in Iraq has not wavered for nearly 15 years: He sees the American involvement as part of this country's historic, moral obligation to spread freedom and democracy.

Today, as he did during and after the 1991 Gulf War, the Connecticut Democrat is urging the United States to stay the course. Lieberman, who is visiting Iraq this week, is wholly behind the White House goals - and three days ago won praise from Bush for his views.

Lieberman's chief concern today is that American partisanship is muddling and even obscuring that message.

"Terrorists can't defeat us on the ground," the Connecticut Democrat said. "They can win by affecting public opinion here."


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"Fine Democrats like Sen. Joe Lieberman share the view that we must prevail in Iraq," the president said Sunday, and on the Senate floor last week, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John W. Warner, R-Va., had similar praise.


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in the primaries.. Now that Zell Miller and John Breaux are gone, we need to get rid of the last DINO in the senate.

...as support for his misbeggoten vision, chances are, you hold the wrong position. Take a hint Joe, shut the fuck up and move out of the way.

How many here would have him as the second term VP right now to President Gore? I wonder what our opinion of him would be.

:)

...voted third party in 2000. Yea.

Don

but it has a precursor: how many of us here realized, given the strong anti-semitic undercurrent that still exists in the U.S., that the Gore candidacy was well and truly sunk the minute he nominated Lieberman?

Lieberman's candidacy all but guaranteed Gore's failures in the Deep "Goodgawd-that-there-fellers-a-jewboy-somebody-git-a-rope" South.

The day Lieberman's selection was announced, I looked at my best friend and said "Well, that's it. We're done." Not b/c I'm a defeatist, but because I do have enough common sense to recognize that this is still a profoundly racist country, especially down in strychnine-and-snake-handling country.

And even so, Gore managed to win the popular vote. Lieberman was chosen expressly for Florida, and it didn't even matter. There's the lesson for symbolic VP nominations: don't.

Do you have any stats or anything to proove the assertation that Lieberman was unliked because he was Jewish?

I didn't like the guy then, I dislike him moreso now, and it never had anything to do with his religion.

Where are you getting the "strong anti-semitic undercurrent" data?

associating with southerners, from formative years spent in the Southern Baptist Church with its "Jews killed Christ" and "Jews can't get into heaven" doctrines.

For a fresh approach, you might look for Abraham Foxman's remarks on the "Christian" right delivered to the ADL a couple of weeks or so ago.

Overall, the point is that Gore needed more balance than Lieberman could bring.

For my part, Lieberman's "faith" has nothing to do with why I don't like his politics. Anyone who qualifies for a big ol' wet-sloppy from Dear Leader after the SOTU Address is out in my book.

Lieberman's not a "conservative democrat." He's a repiglican wannabe who knows he can't win in CT on the GHP ticket.

and I wouldn't like him now as VP. Though I would pick him over Dick and certainly would have been far more happy with Gore as president. But I would also have opposed him getting the party's nomination in '08 once he was done as VP.

Give me that old time hypocrisy!

I never liked him. His speech on the Senate floor criticizing Clinton's sex life while he supported any number of negative efforts.

And his holier than thou exploitation of religion as the VP candidate. how often has he talked about it since as a public figure.

But of course, I couldn't stop with out recalling his TOTAL F'ING SURRENDER OF ELECTION 2000. Right there on national TV. Thanks Joe LIEberman! Don't know what the party would do without the likes of you.

Didn't he play Willie Tanner in the 1980s TV series, 'Alf'?

I heard there was a serious "oust Holy Joe" effort going on a few months back, but I haven't checked its progress in a while.

There are some Jews who feel very strongly about Saddam, and the threat he was perceived to be to Israel. Joe has always been among them.

There are some nonJews in the party who feel the same way, but their motivations may be slightly different. Joe has always been upfront about his concern for Israel.

I think he's annoying, but he's entitled to his view. If his state doesn't like it, they have the right to vote him out.

murderer is nothing to be proud of.

The freepers voted for him!

Joe sure rushed to the floor to condemn Clinton and that was the big "OK" for the corporate media and Repugnicans to really pile on...a memory from that absurd time I think of every time I see "Joementum".

Now, I haven't seen a statement or seen him running for a camera to condemn this regime for ANY of its lies...from cooking the intel, the deliberate lies to start a war for profit and the torture chambers. Guess, only blowjobs matter to Joe.

Regarding how I'd view him if he were in the second Gore term? I'd think he would have logged in a lot of funerals and visits to small, unpronounceable countries.

...he's dishing out the Republican propaganda lines:

"Terrorists can't defeat us on the ground," the Connecticut Democrat said. "They can win by affecting public opinion here."

So....if I am against this lie-based, ill-planned, poorly-executed, sickening war that is murdering many innocent Iraqis and brave US soldiers-----then this means that I have been persuaded BY THE TERRORISTS.

I'll say it right here---fuck you, Lieberman. Just---fuck you.

YOU are the terrorist! For some reason, you are shilling for this sickening administration that is killing innocent Iraqis with, among other things, chemical weapons.

YOU are the one being persuaded by TERRORISTS--the ones sitting in the White House.

SHAME ON YOU, JOE LIEBERMAN. SHAME ON YOUR UNAMERICAN ACTIONS!!!!

He's got plenty of company.

assmat was our VP.

sixties that drove our country into the ground then. He reminds me of Reagan, a dinosaur of another era. I am sure he feels justified by his religion to want to hand out 'freedom' to the oppressed but he doesn't
seem to me to be too deep or too critical a thinker. He's a lame, lazy
inside-the-beltway, insular fat cat who has NO idea what it means to
take war to someone. Anyone without a child over there has no real idea.
When my nephew went to Bosnia, it was just an abstraction to the people
with no REAL stake. For me, it was gut wrenching. He should put his family into the war and ALL OF THEM who support the war should too. Then he will understand the DIMENSIONS of what he advocates. Until then, he's just another war-mongering establishment bastard.

Holy Joe is the real terrorist.