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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:34 PM
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John Kerry......elected Jury foreman!
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:36 PM
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1. What a great story
I wish more people could read this story and know about it. Than they'd know the leader John Kerry is. He's been really stepping up lately. I just adore Kerry!
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maximovich Donating Member (407 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:38 PM
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2. Damn... I Wish He Was In The White House
I really, really do... At least he's still my Senator!
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:39 PM
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3. Cool - Kerry wins an election without having to deal with swift boats!
:woohoo:
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:42 PM
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4. Could you imagine being on a jury with BUSH...
...sequestered with him...:puke:
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petepillow Donating Member (590 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:45 PM
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6. something tells me the defendent would get the death penalty...
unless the defendant was rich, then there would be a mistrial.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:49 PM
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8. Maybe he'd regale the jury with his impersonation of Carla Fay Tucker...
...begging for her life?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:50 PM
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9. Yep. Even if it was just a lawsuit,
someone would have to be executed if Fuckstick were on the jury.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:28 PM
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24. Only if they were black or a Democrat. If it was a white Republican on
trial for murdering his entire family, Bush would pardon the guy himself just so he wouldn't lose the vote.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:35 PM
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25. You offer a necessary addendum to my point
Of course, a white republican would not be executed, even if he started an illegal war and killed tens of thousands and was caught red-handed at it.

Thanks!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 05:14 PM
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27. Only if we lived in a truly just world would that happen.
.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:51 PM
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10. Oh what a nightmare!
He would be selfish and already decide the person's fate by looking at them! He'd be a pure spoiled brat.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:36 PM
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15. Yup!
He would have gone in with a predisposed position, tampered with the evidence, stifled dissenting jurors, paid off the judge, returned a guilty verdict and recommended the death penalty.
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951-Riverside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:44 PM
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5. What a moron....
...If herself and other republicans voted from him to begin with this country wouldnt be in a bigger shithole, I'm not going bite her ass kissing appoligist bullshit she had her chance to vote right and she didnt take it, she can go live in Iraq for all I care.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:40 PM
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32. I'm feeling no sympathy for the neo-cons either tonight, so: hee.
I think you're right: Iraq really IS the best place for people like that.
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Not Sure Donating Member (334 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:48 PM
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7. I just saw the quote,
"reported for duty" which made me think of the Convention Speech and the fun that SNL had poking at him for that. Good story.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:51 PM
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11. John Kerry is a good and honorable man
who would have been a wonderful president.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:52 PM
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12. I wish he was as he should be
:cry: I was robbed!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 12:53 PM
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13. The real point is that media LIED everytime they painted him as aloof and
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 12:54 PM by blm
stiff and boring.

It has been a tactic of theirs for years now, ever since the Vietnam protests where the GOP operatives worried that Kerry was too articulate, too charismatic, too much of a war hero, and too intelligent for them to tear down with their usual brand of attacks on "hippie" protestors.

They started planting derogatory remarks about his personality and his sincerity throughout the 70s and 80s because this group operates for the longterm.

They really stepped up to denounce his character when he started uncovering IranContra and BCCI.

Then he became aloof and unapproachable according to the DC media. Of course, at that point most of DC was also ostracizing him for his BCCI investigation, so if he was aloof it was probably because he never knew if he was about to be assassinated.

Then when he wanted documents made public, the GOP tactic turned to calling him a showboat seeking publicity and cameras.

People complain about how the Clintons were attacked and defined by their RW enemies, but few realize that those operatives cut their teeth working against Kerry for 2 decades before Clinton appeared nationally.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:03 PM
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18. Well said, BLM!!
I will be the first to admit that I fell for at least parts of the MSM portrayal of him as aloof, reserved, a loner. I mean -- why would they make that stuff up, I thought at the time? But the more I learned about him (a lot of this after the election on the blogosphere), the more the curtain fell away revealing someone completely different from the caricature. In fact, a lot of the stuff pinned on Kerry, like being a phony was a) first used by Nixon to describe him and b) actually describes Bush, the ultimate phony.

This story is great in its pureness, as it wasn't a P.R. event, Kerry had little choice in the matter, and he wasn't even asking to take a lead in the jury deliberations. He was just being . . . John Kerry. And the people there realized that this is a great guy, and yes, they would probably LOVE to have a beer with him.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:12 PM
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19. It is the GOP's formula
If they can they go after a Democratic leader's sex life to discredit them ala Ted Kennedy, Hart, JFK and Clinton. If that doesn't work they go after the Dem for his aloofness (portray them as cold, out-of-touch, incompetent and/or exaggerators with no common sense) ala Carter, Dukakis, Gore, Dean, Kucinich, etc to discredit them.

They tried it with Kerry. First it was the rumors of an affair with an intern. When that didn't work they shifted tactics and went after his persona. The GOP used their control of the media to get out its talking points on how they wanted Kerry to be viewed by the American public and the MSM dutiful obeyed.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 03:45 PM
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21. it always comes down to GOP controlling the media on a daily basis.
Just makes me sick.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:00 PM
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22. Liberal Media Bias = bias against liberal media
It's part of the GOP's new speak.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:34 PM
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28. They started that in the early 90s as a bogus talking point and it STUCK.
.
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 10:35 PM
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31. Edith Efron and "The News Twisters" dates back to the 70's
So you're off by about twenty years and the reason I included people like Carter (70's) and Dukakis (80's) as well as current politicians in my original response. :)

In providing a template for what would become a well-organized and well-funded campaign by the political Right to bring the media under its ideological domination, The News Twisters was notable not only for the transparent flaws of its central arguments, but also for its imperviousness to documentation of those flaws. Efron was not the first conservative author to show that a combination of polemical skills, good timing, and a flair for publicity could carry the day, though she was a pioneer of the technique. A political ideologue, writing for an audience of true believers, could impute to his (or her) critics a political motive and survive, the facts notwithstanding. This was especially the case on the subject of media bias, where criticism by the press could be made to look like further proof of the original indictment.

Unbowed and unbound, Efron managed to take her one-woman show before a Senate subcommittee hearing on government regulation of the broadcast industry arranged by President Nixon. She then published a second book, a detailed rebuttal of the CBS report on The News Twisters, under the self-dramatizing title How CBS Tried to Kill a Book. Had that been the intention of CBS executives, who did not publish their study until six months after Efron's book had become a best-seller, they failed. The News Twisters validated abeyant right-wing frustration with the media that dated back to the era when the anti-Communist witch-hunter Joseph McCarthy, whose meteoric rise to power in the Senate was due in part to his talents as a demagogic media manipulator, was exposed as a smear artist by Edward R. Murrow in his CBS documentary series See It Now. McCarthy fought back with attacks on Murrow's patriotism, and CBS gave the senator time to air a rebuttal, written by conservative columnist George Sokolsky of the William Randolph Hearst newspaper chain. McCarthy's career, however, did not recover. Twenty years later, sustained by funds from a McCarthy sympathizer, Efron's pseudoscientific claims, and their like, spread like a virus.

The publication of The News Twisters in 1971 dovetailed with a political strategy of assaulting and discrediting the journalism profession that had been employed by President Nixon's administration two years before, when White House speechwriter and former TV Guide writer Patrick J. Buchanan approached Nixon with the idea of blunting media reports on Nixon's Vietnam War policy by attacking the TV networks as biased in favor of the North Vietnamese and the antiwar movement. When he left the White House and published his 1973 book, The New Majority, Buchanan revealed that his recondite concern was more with media power than with bias. Buchanan flatly stated that the power of the TV networks was an obstacle to conservative Republican governance. "The growth of network power, and its adversary posture towards the national government," he wrote, is "beyond the tradition."

source: David Brock's "Right Wing Noise Machine" as quoted at 2.1 BOOK: "The News Twisters" by Edith Efron (1971)
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:23 PM
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14. Guess he didn't have to hire a lawyer to get
him out of it to keep a drumk driving incident off record like Dumbya had Gonzales do way back when.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:45 PM
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16. And this is why they can't have a media.
Because if Americans were informed, Bush would be a busboy.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 02:16 PM
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20. BINGO! This is why the GOP bought up control of the corporate media
throughout the 80s and 90s.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 01:49 PM
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17. Obviously Diebold didn't handle the vote for jury foreman.


Though it would have been interesting to watch them explain all twelve Kerry votes mysteriously flipping for an illiterate yet arrogant redneck fratboy.


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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:55 PM
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30. The media would find a way to explain it. And then pont to the jurors as
conspiracy theory nuts who just forgot they voted for Bush.
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ohtransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:15 PM
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23. Kerry wins! Kerry wins!
I bet they used paper ballots

BTW, A lot of 'pubs regret their vote for *
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elperromagico Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 04:41 PM
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26. Now, if he could be on a jury with a few million other Bush voters...
Edited on Wed Nov-23-05 04:42 PM by elperromagico
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 07:54 PM
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29. So, they weren't using DIEBOLD, ES&S, Sequoia, etc. :D n/t
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wisteria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:39 PM
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33. This is such a wonderful story. I really didn't think Senators did
jury duty.
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:55 PM
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34. Very nice story
:thumbsup:
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 11:57 PM
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35. Hi seito
:hi:
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seito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 12:09 AM
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36. Hey Girl
Long time no see :hi:
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 12:59 AM
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37. Good thing it was a short trial!
Like if on jury duty for several weeks, his duties as a Senator would suffer.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 03:16 AM
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38. I'm surprised the defense lawyer
didn't reject him.


Wasn't he a former prosecutor?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-24-05 07:51 PM
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39. His reputation was for being extracautious and fair to defense. He would
Edited on Thu Nov-24-05 07:52 PM by blm
only prosecute cases where the evidence was there. He also gave user drug cases lowest priority for the entire office to discourage what he felt was unnecessary prosecution.
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