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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:51 PM
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Does talking about withdrawal from Iraq lower troop morale?
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 06:05 PM by Blue_Roses
This is the discussion on CNN now and so much of what we hear from the republicans. I asked a friend of mine who just retired after 20 years in the Air Force. The response I got was, "when you wear the uniform--no matter who the commander-in-chief is--you respect their choice and follow."

Okay, as someone who has parents that are veterans, I totally understand and deeply respect, but it didn't really answer my question, so I delved a little further.

I asked them, "if you knew that you went to war under false, trumped up intelligence, how would you feel"? Their response...silent. Finally they answered, "It's one thing to think that you are fighting for a cause, but when you find that many have died in vain--for a lie--that indeed would lower morale and lead to hopelessness."

It's no wonder republicans want to keep any debate over this war silent. They seem to think it taboo to disagree and even bring this war to a discussion. Now it seems to be clear why. It's not the discussion of "withdrawal" from Iraq that lowers morale, but the ever increasing facts that this war was a mistake.

My heart goes out to the soldiers. They deserve better from their elected (and unelected) officials. I think this is the new "talk back" from republicans and it will be front and center as their "defense" to avoid discussing it, especially in this upcoming election year.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 05:55 PM
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1. It would seem to me from being in the Korean conflict that
the idea of coming home, would buck up the troops.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:01 PM
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2. me too
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 06:05 PM by Blue_Roses
my parents are WWII veterans. My dad was in Europe and my mother a nurse in the south pacific. My mother said when she got her orders to leave she started giving away everything she couldn't pack. She was ecstatic and I've read her letters from then and it was very clear she was GLAD to be leaving to come home!
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:07 PM
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5. SE Asia here- but some of these guys are pulling 3 or 4 tours
yo-yo stuff like that will kill morale and it will kill troops.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:11 PM
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9. It's ridiculous
to think that these troops have pulled 3-4 tours for what?

:argh:

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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:13 PM
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10. On top of that they are seeing things become progressively
worse on each hitch.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:44 PM
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13. It IMPROVES morale when you know people care about you !
I'm a combat vet and it was FINE BY ME when the politicians asked WHY THE HELL I was there !
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:55 PM
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14. Aint't that the truth?
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:05 PM
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3. It's the environment that saps morale. The crap you have to put
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 06:10 PM by TomInTib
up with in a hopeless situation is what grinds you down.
When I was in SE Asia way back when it wasn't what was going on at home (protests, outspoken public figures, etc) it was the surreal hopelessness of the situation and the idiot loser lifers (career military) that just made us crazy.
That commander-in-chief crap is just that- crap. One can always find some meat-head to parrot that line but it is all about the guys around you. When you find out there is no substance to what you are doing and your prime objective is survival, morale is out the window.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:08 PM
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6. that's what it's really
all about.

"When you find out there is no substance to what you are doing and your prime objective is survival morale is out the window."
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:06 PM
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4. How does talking about withdrawal from Iraq lower troop morale?
'It just does dammit!' Sheeesh! I fail to understand how getting more troops killed is good for morale.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:10 PM
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7. they fail to understand
a lot of things. Denial, denial, denial.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:10 PM
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8. Only to the war mongers
People who are still capable of independent thought, will disagree
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:15 PM
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11. But the "war mongers"
use and will continue to use it more and more to try to make us shut up. They use it to bully and for guilt.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 06:42 PM
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12. Yes. And it makes baby Jesus cry.
In all seriousness though, the other night I watched an American couple who'd lost a son in Iraq say that his death was a waste and it served no higher purpose. Truly heartbreaking.

(The same documentary also revealed that the Pentagon is working towards getting 40% of amputees back to Iraq - now that definately lowers morale.)
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:00 PM
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15. If I thought I was going to get to go home, it would LIFT my morale like n
nothing else could do.

Withdrawal = going home = HIGH MORALE.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:01 PM
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16. We have a social contract with the troops
They serve, they don't question... in excange for a civilian leadership that will only send them into harms way when absolutely needed.

That social contract was broken... and you should ask yourself, will they ever trust us again?

It is going to take years if not decades, to rebuild the military... and the GOP does not want this discusion becuase they sold a bill of goods, and then went and betrayed teh troops.

As a wife of a 20 year vet of the USN I understand the contract... and it is maddening to me. I know that we will never trust them again.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:09 PM
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17. So we can't question the war, question the President, question anything.
Edited on Fri Nov-25-05 07:10 PM by kerry-is-my-prez
Because we are at "war."

So according to the admin. - we can't disagree with them at all - and have to keep our mouths shut. We need to point out how nuts this all is to those so-called "patriots."

And, then why did they constantly question Clinton - even though there were a few wars that went on then.

And, will these people agree not to question the next Prez. if they are a Democrat?


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KerryOn Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:22 PM
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18. I can't see how it would...
... They all want to come home. Wouldn't you?
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 07:58 PM
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19. my point exactly
nt
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 12:55 AM
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20. let the troops vote it out
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