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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:41 PM
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Couple Sues Operators of Evolution Site -University of California-Berkeley
Couple Sues Operators of Evolution Site

BERKELEY, Calif., Nov. 26, 2005
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(AP) A California couple has sued the operators of a University of California-Berkeley Web site designed to help teachers teach evolution, claiming it improperly strays into religion.

Jeanne and Larry Caldwell of Granite Bay say portions of the Understanding Evolution Web site amount to a government endorsement of certain religious groups over others because the site is partly funded through a public money grant from the National Science Foundation.

In the lawsuit filed last month, the Caldwells contend the site is an effort "to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept evolutionary theory as true."

The plaintiffs are not proponents of "intelligent design" _ a theory that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher intelligence _ but they object to the teaching of evolution as scientific fact, Jeanne Caldwell said.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/11/26/ap/tech/mainD8E4D7CO0.shtml


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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:44 PM
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1. What a couple of liars!
Not believers in ID? Hah!
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HillDem Donating Member (561 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:54 PM
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5. Maybe they're young earth creationists
You know where the earth is 6000 years old and the dinosaurs were on noah's ark? Makes sense to me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:47 PM
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2. well that`s really dumb
i may be dense but i don`t understand what the hell they are talking about
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:50 PM
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3. morons. I hope they evolve soon. their kids must be soooo embarrassed.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:52 PM
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4. Good thing it's California
because judges there are fairly well educated, educated enough to know that evolution is a FACT and that natural selection is the theoretical component of it.

If science offends those too poor pious twits, maybe they should avoid websites that teach it.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 10:54 PM
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6. Damn red state morans!!!!
Um, California? Uh, never mind....
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:25 AM
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15. There are idiots everywhere.
But fortunately, in our state at least, they don't usually make up a majority of the voters.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:26 AM
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19. As i love to hear Janeanne Garofalo say... "it's a 'red state' of mind"
quite appropo, no?
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:00 PM
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7. I smell test case!
The ID proponents are trying for a rematch of the Scopes Monkey Trial. They are trying to get it put into precedence that evolution is a "theory" on par with ID theory. This could be an interesting, but hopefully futile threat.

Perhaps if one could find out who the Caldwell's backers are, who their attorney is, who is paying their attorney(for any attorney filing this case is going to want a nice hefty fee). Do a little digging and one could find out what the real motivation for this is.

And what is Granite Bay like? Conservative conclave or otherwise? This just smacks of the American Taliban trying to twist the law to their own ends.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:01 PM
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8. What? The Nat'l Science Foundation is funding the teaching of SCIENCE?
I am SHOCKED!

What's next on their list-igation?...suing someone who promotes the theory of gravity?

jeezusfuckingchrist, just when you think you've seen it all.

:eyes:
:grr:
:puke:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:37 AM
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21. Public stoning and burning at the stake?
Sometimes I feel like I'm on acid or something because I don't recgnize this country. In this far off land called childhood, we'd have guys from NASA come into our school and talk to us about science and it was a Big Deal. A Good Thing.

Or, was that some other planet?
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Sinistrous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:02 PM
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9. Actually, their contention, as stated, is true.
Read it again: ... the Caldwells contend the site is an effort "to modify the beliefs of public school science students so they will be more willing to accept evolutionary theory as true."

Modifying students' beliefs/mind-sets is precisely what education is supposed to do. As I read recently elsewhere: The goal of education is not to validate ignorance, but to eliminate it.

So, it appears that the Caldwells are suing educators for educating.

Sinistrous
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:13 PM
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10. I wonder what those two think of Bush's "faith based initiatives".
Edited on Sat Nov-26-05 11:14 PM by Marr
Their argument that taxpayer dollars funding science education is the same as endorsing a religion is laughable on it's face, of course. But I wonder where they stand on separation of church and state? I get the feeling they're probably against it.
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tsuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:39 PM
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11. Wonder which wingbat is funding the suit? Hope they end up with
court costs.
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DavidBowman Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-05 11:53 PM
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12. Jeezus
I hate these people.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:20 AM
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13. Some lawyer might milk them for a while
But, this doesn't stand a chance.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:23 AM
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14. What they really object to is science, PERIOD.
Seems to me, using their logic, no public money should go to science at all.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 12:28 AM
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16. Wikipedia on the Caldwells:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_Science_Education_for_All

Not proponents of ID, my ass:

Larry Caldwell, a pro-Intelligent Design activist and attorney, has been active in bringing litigation in causes favoring the intelligent design movement. In the spring of 2005 he sued the National Center for Science Education (NCSE), and its director, Eugenie Scott, alleging that Scott and the center made false claims in a article she published in California Wild, the magazine of the California Academy of Sciences <1>. The suit claimed that Scott misstated that Larry Caldwell had proposed the names of two creationist books to his local school board and that Scott incorrectly stated the date of the Georgia evolution disclaimers and misspelled a party's last name. That suit was settled when the defendants agreed to publicly acknowledge and correct the errors <2>. This event was seized upon by the leading organization of the intelligent design movement, the Discovery Institute, to criticize their historical opponents, the NCSE <3>. The QSEA and the Discovery Institute have collaborated on a number of occasions on other projects related to the movement.

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Kailassa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:17 AM
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17. Let's pack all creationists, IDers, and religious talibanis
into a huge spaceship and blast them off to the stars. It wouldn't be murder, because if they are right, god will be sure to guide them to a nice safe planet to start over. And we could have live video transmitted back here for the most hilarious entertainment ever.

Would be the ultimate "big brother", watching all those idiots having to put up with each other. Even if "god" did find them a habitable world, they'd have all killed each other long before they arrived there.
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DanCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 03:23 AM
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18. Dont get mad get even. _ This is why the right has an edge.
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 03:26 AM by DanCa
They will continue to harass us unless we fight back. So instead of turning on each other lets start picketing fundie churches damnit.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:39 AM
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22. I agree. Instead of shrinking back because we might have
disturbed a dust speck on a Nazi's nose, we fight back. :thumbsup:
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:08 AM
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20. Please, someone help the Caldwells.
The Caldwells have their heads inserted into their own rectums. Someone please call 9-11, the horror, the HORROR.

Perhaps Jeanne C should take a basic science course, scientific fact? Never heard of such a thing. Goes along with scientific proof, another mysterious beast resurrected by the science illiterate. Proof being more appropriate to mathematics and alcohol.
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