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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:26 PM
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I think it is time to lay off of the Shrub now. We need to go after
Cheney in a big way. He is a vile piece of shit and most people like him even less than the jug-eared little prick in the White House. Cheney's crooked ass needs to be ridden until either he resigns or his so-called "heart" does. If Cheney is out of the way, one way or another, then * will have to appoint a new V-P with the advice and consent of the Senate. The Repukes be appointing their 2008 candidate and will self-destruct over it. Whoever Bush appoints will carry the Bush stink, even if it is McCain, and if McCain were to take the job after his fight with the shrub over torture, then he's just a whore.
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Midnight Rambler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:28 PM
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1. Yes. Focus on the real president, not the puppet
I don't think Bush can really get much done without Unka Dick holding his hand anyway. Take away Cheney and Rove, and he's completely useless.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:35 PM
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4. No never let up on any front. Put the pressure on Cheney flatten him
that is fine but don't let up on the
chimp until Miserable Failure is next to his name everywhere it is written and whomever speaks his name spits to remove the evil taste from their mouths.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:33 PM
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2. I'm a fan of multitasking, myself
Even though big Dick may be the "real" President, the people who voted for the monkey need to be reminded that they picked a twit, an empty suit, a drunken frat boy who hides behind uniformed service members and behind the gates of his pig farm.

He gets no pass from me--he is IN THE JOB, and he is doing a 'bang up' job--banging up the economy, banging up the lives of families who have loved ones who have been slaughtered in Iraq, banging the crap out of our civil liberties, banging up providing help to needy citizens in the wake of the hurricanes...and I won't be satisfied until the public gives him a bit of banging up, that he so richly deserves.

So, my votes goes to a mulitasked approach--go after both of them. Give no quarter!
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:35 PM
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3. It's kinda like that line in "Apocalyse Now" where Sheehan, the assassin,
tells Brando that he's a "soldier". The Col. Kurtz character spits back in disgust, "No, you're a delivery boy sent to collect a bad debt by a bunch of grocery clerks." That was a great line by Milius.

Even Cheney is just an instrument of someone else's towering greed and ambition. Identify the ones who have truly benefited and prospered during the past five years, indict those you can, and tax the rest into extinction.

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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:42 PM
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5. Well, not a perfect analogy. Cheney IS corporate.
He is by no means a statesman. His is the very soul of corporate ethos, greed. He is
embodiment of an unlimited thirst for power and a total disdain for those who have not.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:59 PM
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9. Yes, but he is still just a grocery clerk.
Getting rid of him -- without deep structural and political change -- isn't going to do a bloody thing to reverse the decline of America.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:16 PM
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12. Yes. There are lots of grocery clerks.
I am beginning to think that when we focus on the corporate phenom we focus on the face of the beast.
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leveymg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:23 PM
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14. It's so big, at the top it doesn't have a human face.
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 05:24 PM by leveymg
We're like ants to them. Literally. Have you ever looked out an office window on the 66th Floor?

That and the view out of a Gulfstream V or the back of a limo as it rolls silently down Fifth Avenue is about all they ever see of America.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:38 PM
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15. I was a grocery clerk from 1964 to 1971 and they as a whole are
far better people than Cheney.
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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 07:20 PM
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20. Yeah. I am sorry I associated the likes of Cheney
with an honest profession such as grocery clerk. Hell, I was a grocery clerk before you could go beep beep with the bar code. I'm an old fart.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:23 PM
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28. Remember the stampers that put the prices on things? I had a
callus from one of those for about ten years after I graduated and no longer stocked shelves. What really bothers me is that I for a time lived in the same married student housing complex at the University of Wisconsin as Dickie did, although I didn't know him. Had I known then what I know now I could have changed the World with a little bad driving...
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:43 PM
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6. nobody remembers vice presidents
We must make sure that the Bush legacy is remembered for its deception and treason.
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:44 PM
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7. Yeah, but Cheney can be a tag line like Agnew. nt
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 12:40 AM
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31. yes, but there has never been a vice president like Dick Cheney
its a complete anomaly, a powerful, secretive VP with his hands on the levers of power while the Prez naps in Crawford. History will not treat Dick very kindly.
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 04:54 PM
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8. Never!
One thing Dems must learn from repukes, when your opponent is down, step up the attack!
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:08 PM
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10. Oh, c'mon....
We can multitask!
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vonslagle Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:13 PM
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11. But What if
Cheney resigns, and Chimpie appoints Condoleeza?

She'd be pretty hard to beat, most people wouldn't even know she's a Rethug, cause she doesn't look loke one; and she's got like an 85% approval rating.

Better off just to let Cheney keep poking holes in the ship, let him go down with it, and cash in for a HUGE Demo victory in 2008!
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:40 PM
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16. The Southern Republican base will vote for a black woman in
2008? Excuse me while I watch the migrating pigs flying past my window.
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vonslagle Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:08 PM
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17. They don't need it
When you factor in all the African Americans and Women that would vote for her just because of what she looks like, the Southern Republican vote would be uneccesary.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:12 PM
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25. Condi Rice proves that you can dislike a black woman without
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 10:42 PM by rzemanfl
being either a misogynist or a bigot. I don't believe that women or blacks are going to vote for her in big numbers because of her gender or color. Underneath, she is Dick Cheney in spike heels.
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vonslagle Donating Member (100 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:58 PM
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29. You really think so?
There are a lot of African Americans that are getting pretty tired of people who call Clarence Thomas a White man, but think John Kerry would have been the "Second Black president."

You're kidding yourself if you think people are smart enough not to vote for someone who looks like them. An Irish last name still helps a candidate win elections .

Do you think Kirkpatrick would have won the Detroit Mayorial, or O'Bama would have won the Illinois Senate if it weren't for their Irish last names?

You're kidding yourself twice if think you can really hate Condoleeza without being tarred as a Bigot. Look what happened when white people started calling OJ a murderer.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 07:23 PM
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32. I have said many times on DU that the space between Condi's
teeth was so she could clean the fork in her tongue. No one called me a misogynist or a racist although one person who suffered from the same gap in her teeth until she had it fixed took me on about dental prejudice.

O'Bama the Irishman whose Dad was a goat herder. Who knew?
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 05:18 PM
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13. We can multi-task.
McCain has played both sides for so long, he has no cred on either side anymore.

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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:31 PM
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18. The 2006 House and Senate candidates
THOSE are the bastards we need to go after first. And the governors and the piss ants in the state assemblies. Lets go after THOSE bastards first. We are stuck with Dumbya, face it everybody. The original post was correct but Cheney is entrenced, too.
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hopein08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 06:49 PM
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19. Yup, declare the Shrubster irrelevant and concentrate on those who...
could still do something bad to this country. I've come to the idea that hating the Shrubster more and more only really hurts me. He doesn't have to answer to voters anymore. The people that still have to answer to voters and fight for their lives are the 2006 House and Senate candidates. They are the real bastards who are still dangerous. Yes, the Shrubster could technically go to war and whatnot, but if we concentrate on the candidates and the sitting representatives they themselves will apply enough pressure to make Shrub even more irrelevant.
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:19 PM
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24. I agree with every word
n/t
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:20 PM
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21. I agree - Cheney's the chief war criminal
behind the iraq war machine.
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:55 PM
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22. Who is more valuable to Repubs, Cheney or Rove?
I'm thinking it's Rove.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:13 PM
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26. Agreed. n/t
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:59 PM
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23. I think it's important that we not allow the two to be separated
Everything Bush does, Cheney is also responsible for -- and vice verse. Don't let one wiggle away.
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rzemanfl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:17 PM
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27. Two words "wedge issue." Bush without Cheney is more
vulnerable. It's like that idiot Bush '41 had as Vice-President, Dan Quayle, G.H.W. Bush's life insurance policy.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:00 PM
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30. We must break them all. I'm series folks. Break them all.
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