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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:07 PM
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cigarettes = leading cause of global warming?
all over the planet the drug addicted nicotine junkies are smoking like there is no tomorrow.

let's say 1/3 of the 6 billion population smoke, a guess but reasonable I think, since outside the USA the smoking rate is way higher than the US rate in the 20-30% area. That gives us 2 billion smokers.

Now most cigarettes are responsible for 2 fires (ignition + cigarette), with the exceptions of people liting up off of existing fires.

Most smokers probably smoke a pack a day, that's 20 ciggies, and many smoke more than that, and some smoke less.

so let's see how that adds up:

2 billion X 2 X 20 = 80 billion heat generating and toxic fumes generating events every day.

Now times 365 days a year = 29,200 billion heat and waste generating fires (is that 29.2 trillion?.

Gee pretty soon we are talking about a lot of heat generated and pollution. Visualize burning tobacco as being akin to the acres burned by slash and burn farmers in the Amazon area.

People who quit smoking are doing something good for mother earth.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm



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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:09 PM
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1. Well then.... are "Kools" "Cool"??? sorry. I know they all suck. nt.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:11 PM
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2. I'm going to take up smoking
And buy a really powerful motorcycle.
This is after reading endless stories about climate catastrophe.
Get out while I look good.
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murray hill farm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:12 PM
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3. are u joking..or for real on this?
Could this really be????
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caelestissurf Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:14 PM
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4. And this just in
Urination from alcohol consumption is the leading cause of coral reef die offs. Look at all those Corona commericals that take place in the tropics....................It's gotta go somewhere people.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:56 PM
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14. Ronnie Reagan blamed it on cow farts
It's all those bastards smoking next to farting cows...yeaaaaaahhhh, that's the ticket!!!!!!!!
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:16 PM
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6. visualize a mountain of `14.5 TRILLION cigarettes and then see
the pile go up in flames at the same time (a one year supply).

in my original post I doubled the total for 2 fires per cig, so half of that is the number of cigs, which would be 14.5 trillion.

Now that number is not absolute, but if I am anywhere close, you visualize the smoke and heat.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:14 PM
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5. It's not smoking at all...it's mad cow farts.
And Boat Motors!
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:18 PM
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7. I'd reckon cars and trucks and the gas they use are a bit warmer...
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:20 PM
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8. Uh-oh. You're about to be flamed to death by our addicts.
Anything vaguely anti-smoking brings them out in droves.
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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:24 PM
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9. You forgot something...

...cigarettes are biomass. They are carbon neutral. :-)
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:31 PM
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10. contents of cigarette smoke ->
fires warm the atmosphere, solids/gases resulting = pollution

from http://www.medindia.net/Patients/PatientInfo/tobacco_cigarette.htm

"The smoke from a cigarette contains more than 4000 chemicals, which could have various toxic, mutagenic and carcinogenic effects. The content and concentration of chemical ingredients can vary widely from one brand or type of cigarette to the next.

Below is a list of few of the chemicals and their harmful effects .
Acetone Cyanide
Aluminum DDT/Dieldrin
Ammonia Ethenol
Arsenic Formaldehyde
Benzene Hydrogen cyanide
Butane Lead
Cadmium Methanol
Carbon monoxide Nicotine
Carbon dioxide Tar
Chloroform Vinyl Chloride"



Notice carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide on the list.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:55 PM
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27. but how many of those chemicals are filtered out by the human body...?
before being exhaled into the atmosphere?

my guess is that smoking has a net ZERO effect on the atmosphere.
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slaveplanet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:35 PM
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32. heres an experiment
for you...

get someone a pack of ciggies to help you with this little experiment

have them start lighting up

now get yourself a 1/4 tube....start your car....now go to your exaust pipe of your car and start sucking those fumes..

we'll all sit around and make bets on who passes out first,,,,


now visualize this....





AN ERUPTING VOLCANO....

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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:51 PM
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11. OH MY GOD!! THIS IS HUGH!!11!!1!!!!!!!
Don't you think that if your "theory" were right we would already know about it?

Plus, you should double check your numbers... I really doubt most smokers "probably smoke a pack a day", in fact I know very few who smoke a pack a day and I'm a smoker myself.

Why don't you calculate the amount of heat and smoke that the average home kitchen generates, and that way we can see the devastating effects that kitchens have?
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:53 PM
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12. tell you what, line us up and shoot us. we are subhuman
how messed up are you?
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:54 PM
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13. Just shoot? You are forgetting torture...
You know, we should really be punished, and shooting is not enough.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:03 PM
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16. wink n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:56 PM
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15. riiiiiiighhhhht
Tobacco burning causes the ozone to deplete. Burn that fossil fuel instead.
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lwbaby Donating Member (70 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:05 PM
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17. Ciggies cause global warming!
So, internal combustion engines don't?

Are you saying everyone who smokes world wide are mostly responsible for greenhouse gasses?

Give me a break, you control freak. Unless you walk everywhere your car is emitting more pukey air than cigarette smokers ever thought about spewing.

Continue to drive and emit, you hypocrite.
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silverlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:09 PM
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18. Just another smoke screen...(eom)
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:18 PM
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19. I think your math is in serious error.

According to US Dept of Agg, global production of cigarettes is
only 5,600 Billion per year, so it's hard to come up with 14,000
Billion "cigarette fires".

http://web.lwc.edu/cleanva/cigbutthowmany.htm

Still, with a bit of google research, you should be able to determine
the exact amount of greenhouse gases released with each smoke and
then multiply by 5,600 billion. Don't forget to include the amount
of toxic gas "sequestered" in the body of each smoker (and buried
with him/her).

Then you should be able to compare the amount of greenhouse gases
released as a percentage of the total (estimated)... and see if this
is even significant.

I would ignore, for the moment, the small fire used to ignite the
cigarette, since gathering stats on the most common method is going
to be difficult, not to mention calculating the amount of greenhouse
gases release by this ignition sequence.

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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:22 PM
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20. Stop heating canned soup... its good for mother earth.
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 09:27 PM by MazeRat7
Think about it, heating one can of soup for three minutes on the stove is roughly equal to lighting over 6000 cigarettes (assuming you can light one with a butane lighter in an average of 3 seconds ea and your stove outputs 100x the heat energy of a lighter).

Wow... just think about it. Not heating that one can of soup / day would have a "hugh" impact on the amount of BTU's released into the atmosphere daily. And considering many more people eat soup than smoke it would be great for "mother earth" too. *grin.

:sarcasm:
MZr7
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:34 PM
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21. Smokers aren't even in the running when
you figure out what's released in 1 volcano or 1 huge forest fire.
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MarsThe Cat Donating Member (978 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:56 PM
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29. or even one nasty-ass city bus.
nt
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:43 PM
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22. BWAHAHAHAHAHA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 09:47 PM by Just Me
:rofl:

What a GENIUS-LIKE proposition!!!

:rofl:

Global warming via tobacco! OH! OH! Don't forget all those fires in CA and ash from Helens and the burning bodies in Iraq and all the pesky campfires by the poor and stuff like that.

:eyes: Geez.

On edit: yup, I am NOT in the mood to read shit like this. My apologies for failing the "tolerance" mark, this evening.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:47 PM
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23. I generate heat and toxic fumes after eating a burrito.
We should ban Mexican food too.
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:48 PM
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24. EWWWW!! The HORROR!!! THE HORROR!!!!
ick
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:49 PM
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25. These GAS BAGS are the leading cause!




VOTE REPIGS OUT!
REDUCE GREENHOUSE GASES!!!

:smoke:
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:54 PM
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26. Your stupid makes my head hurt.
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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:56 PM
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28. Let's settle this SCIENTIFICALLY, shall we?
I'll light up a Marlboro while being hooked up to some kind of sensory device, and my neighbor will plug his lawn mower, leaf blower, jet ski, and SUV to similar devices.

The two of us will light up at the same time.

If my my neighbor's machines register less than one hundred times the carbons, ozone, and all-around pollution than my cigarette does, then I'll slit my fucking wrist and beg forgiveness from all humanity while I'm writhing around in agony, bleeding to death.
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:07 PM
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30. I am assuming that this is meant to be a joke, right? you cannot be
seriously saying, and asking us to accept, that smokers cause more damage to the atmosphere than the internal combustion engine, factories, etc., etc?

I am reminded of the time I first started hearing this nonsense, when I was, for a brief time, exiled in detroit. I called the health deparment and asked them if they seriously expected me to believe that cigarettes were more damaging to my health than that foul, fetid, polluted air I HAD to breathe. no answer.

by the way, I happen to be an allergic non-smoker, and I tell you now that smokers don't bother me nearly as much as industrial pollution and what walter satterswait once called "born-again breathers".
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:09 PM
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31. Inaccurate to say the least...
First, I don't know what type of units for measuring you are using(BTUs, Cubic metres, tonnes?). But even in that case, our DAILY pollution level for the US alone at coal power plants, as an example, could be measured in tonnes, and for the year, in billions of tonnes of greenhouse gasses being spewed into the atmosphere. Now, let's say ALL people on the planet smoke cigarrettes, not realistic, but for the sake of argument. So, that's six billion people, give or take, and they all smoke a pack a day, a good average I would think. A single pack weighs in at about four oz. if that. So let's estimate how much of the cigarette is actually combusting into greenhouse gasses, let's say a fourth of it is converted to greenhouse gases when it is lit. So first, while the cigarette does burn at a high tempurature, it has such a small footprint, I don't think it even raises the tempurature a standard size room, like a 8ft cubed even one degree.

So let's see how much greenhouse gases 6 billion people produce from cigarettes. About 6 billion ounces worth, OK, so next, we convert ounces to tons, these are english metrics, so let's see, 35,840 ounces are in a 'long ton', so divide that by 6 billion and you get 167,410.7 tons spewed into the air by smokers, per day about 61.5 million tons per year. 5.4 billion metric tonnes are how many were spewed by the United States, as of 1997, per year, and that's just Carbon Dioxide. I don't think that smokers make much of a dent in how many greenhouse gases are produced per year.
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