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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 08:53 PM
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Texas Woman Mauled to Death by Six Dogs
Texas Woman Mauled to Death by Six Dogs

Sun Nov 27, 5:20 PM ET

THORNDALE, Texas - A pack of six dogs mauled a 76-year-old woman to death as she worked in her yard, authorities said.

Lillian Loraine Stiles was riding on a lawn mower in her front yard Saturday when she was confronted by the dogs, described as pit bull-rottweiler mixed breeds, said Milam County Sheriff Charlie West.

Investigators think Stiles was attacked when she got off the mower and headed into her house.

Stiles had severe bites over her entire body, and a man who tried to help her was bitten on one leg, authorities said.

The dogs were found at the home of Stiles' neighbor, Jose Hernandez.

More at:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051127/ap_on_re_us/brf_woman_mauled;_ylt=AoRw41UPYSiAJYuaXBCUc2tH2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTA3MjBwMWtkBHNlYwM3MTg-
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:00 PM
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1. They are ALWAYS described a pit-bull/ Rottweiler
When for all we know they could have been anything. I get pretty tired of the stereotyping, since with mixed breeds, you have NO idea what you are looking at. Any dog with a stocky build that attacks someone is unfailingly deemed a pit or a Rotty and quite often, it's neither.

Example: A local kid where I live was killed last year by a stout black dog with a blunt muzzle. For a while they had no idea who owned the dog, and it was described as a "pit-bull" for weeks in the paper.

Turns out the owner came forward and revealed the dog was half lab, half PUG. He had both parents on the premises. (Interesting combo.)

Shame about these attacks, but I am tired of the tendency to make pariahs out of certain breeds of dog.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:55 PM
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7. I don't give a F about the dogs.
I care about the people, and those dogs you mentioned -- rotweiler or whatever bite plenty of people.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:33 PM
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11. Actually, there is no such thing as a bad animal...
Only bad owners. You can't blame the dog for this. The owner is completely to blame and should be held responsible.
Duckie
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:15 PM
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17. Amen.
It sickens me that this had to happen, all because someone let SIX dogs run loose and unchecked. It's gross irresponsibility.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 06:31 PM
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21. Right...and guns don't kill people, people do.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 10:15 PM
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22. Um, DuH!
Without the human, the gun isn't going to do anything but sit there. Without the human a gun just really isn't dangerous. And the people who get killed in gun accidents are either stupid or the person who accidentally does it is stupid. Don't get me started.
Duckie
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:58 PM
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14. I'm sure they do, and I hardly argued that.
I didn't even make such a claim at all. I SAID that people tend to assume there is a particular breed responsible, and if the dogs are indeed a "mixed breed" it may be hard to distinguish which breeds are present.

And I DO give a fuck about dogs. And people too - one doesn't cancel out the other.

So no knee-jerk reaction needed here.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:52 PM
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13. Uh, sorry but...
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 10:56 PM by all_hail_gwb
.. Rotties and Pitbulls are pretty distinguishable. Heck, I can pretty much call any mix that has either of those breeds in it. Another thing about those breeds is they're used for illegal dogfighting. Makes sense to me that the idiot owner would mix the two to make a decent fighter. I'm thinking that maybe they asked the owner what they were and he hold 'em.

I didn't read the story, but too bad that lady or the dude who tried to help her didn't have a gun, they could'a popped a cap in those messed up mutts.

Oh, and please direct me to the print version of the example you cited. I own pugs and have owned labs. There is no way in hell a mix of those two breeds would kill or even attack a person unless it was chained up outdoors in the winter, and not fed for weeks. Even then, I don't think it would happen.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:12 PM
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16. Uh.. sorry back but...
Edited on Sun Nov-27-05 11:17 PM by Vektor
MANY breeds can be and often are mistaken for pit bulls or pit mixes, such as any type of Bulldog, Mastiff, Boxer, Dogo Argentino, or Cattle Dog mix. (Or any other breed with a square, blunt muzzle - there are tons.) All one need do is work at a vet or shelter (I've done both) to see just how many bizarre and often unidentifiable, (and easily mistaken) breed combos can come down the wire.

As for the pugs and labs you've owned, I'm sure they were sweet as pie. Who is to say that this particular COMBINATION was not a dog who had a chemical imbalance? Maybe it was inbred? Maybe it was injured? Maybe the child taunted it? He was running from the owner's yard when attacked.

Just because you owned each of those breeds and had good experiences with them does not mean that you can speak for every dog that is a mix of the two. And yes, I have never encountered a horrifically vicious lab, (though my brother was nipped by one as a kid) my aunt has a pug currently, and it bites, and cannot be around children.

I also HAVE a pit-bull, and I cannot imagine her attacking anyone either. So there ya go.

As for print copy, I currently do not have one, since the story was covered in my two-bit newspaper which is so rinky-dink it doesn't even have an active website. I could try to find something, but really, you don't have to believe the story if it makes you feel better. My post was not to try to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that other breeds of dog do attack people (they do) but to mention that I thought it was offensive how every time a dog attacks someone, automatic assumptions are made about the breed. I never tried to single out pugs or labs, obviously.

As far as "busting caps" the OWNER should be shot. He had a responsibility to society and to his animals to be a responsible pet owner.

He failed.
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Caoimhe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:02 PM
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2. omg that makes me cringe! The dogs owner needs to be
tarred and feathered, jailed for a while and then not allowed to ever own another dog.
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TimeChaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:07 PM
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3. ...
:popcorn:
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:08 PM
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4. DUPE, please merge/close thread. (See inside for thread)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:12 PM
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5. it wasnt the dogs fault. the woman made the dogs attack her.
she should have stood there like a tree. she just didnt know how to be around dogs. she should have taken courses to know how to handle pits and rot mix. really the dogs are innocent, they are just being themselves.

sarcasm because i am sure we are going to hear this
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:55 PM
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8. no doubt
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 09:26 PM
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6. Six dogs? How does anyone control a pack of 6 dogs?
And how did these dogs escape the owner's property? No dog should ever be allowed to roam outside of their owner's control.

And unless you are operating a kennel, there is no way to exert effective control over more than 2 or 3 dogs.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:07 PM
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9. If this were in CA the owners would be going to prison. Had enough of dog
maulings out here.

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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:11 PM
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10. In LA, more than 3 dogs requires a kennel license
A private owner could not legally have this many dogs of any breed
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Lengsel Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 10:39 PM
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12. Dogs
My neighbor has like six to ten dogs that used to roam around the neighborhood. They didn't put up a fence until some kid got bit. Dumb motherfuckers seem to always have the most pets. I think adopting a dog should be like getting a kid. Too many dumb fucks with stupid ass dogs. I wish some people would see some serious jail time. Stupid fuck motherfuckers.
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:11 PM
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15. Probably tweakers or crackheads. These people love breeding mean dogs...
...for some reason.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-27-05 11:23 PM
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18. the local news coverage of this made me cry....
sitting on a couch was a sad man mourning his wife of 55 years. Not only is the love of his life dead, but he knows she suffered. The look in his eyes was just so awful.

:cry:
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400Years Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 12:04 PM
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19. They should shoot the dogs and then shoot the owner

I wouldn't blame that old man if he went over there and shot the asshole .
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-05 12:11 PM
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20. NYC - No Laws Against Dogs Killing Dogs
I read a good article in New York Magazine last year. It was about a man whose dog was severely mauled by a pack of dogs - in the middle of Manhattan. His dog was being walked on a leash. The dogs were being overseen by a homeless man. He asked around and found many people in the neighborhood whose dogs had been mauled or killed by the same dogs. Some people had also been injured trying to rescue their dogs.

Then he called police, codes, health and animal agenices to try to get something done. They all said the same thing - it was not their job. It turned out that (at least as of last year) there was no law in New York City against a dog attacking another dog. Because the humans were injured trying to stop the dog fight, the authorities said that the dogs could not be held responsible. However, a dog that is vicious enough to make an unprovoked serious attack on another dog is easily vicious enough to attack and kill children.

(Similarly, many people who later become violent against other people start with violence against animals.)
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