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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:02 PM
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I'm kind of peeved at Christian Science Monitor but at least they warned us
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0906/p25s02-cogn.html

When contemplating war, beware of babies in incubators

posted September 06, 2002

More than 10 years later, I can still recall my brother Sean's face. It was bright red. Furious. Not one given to fits of temper, Sean was in an uproar. He was a father, and he had just heard that Iraqi soldiers had taken scores of babies out of incubators in Kuwait City and left them to die. The Iraqis had shipped the incubators back to Baghdad. A pacifist by nature, my brother was not in a peaceful mood that day. "We've got to go and get Saddam Hussein. Now," he said passionately.

I completely understood his feelings. Although I had no family of my own then, who could countenance such brutality? The news of the slaughter had come at a key moment in the deliberations about whether the US would invade Iraq. Those who watched the non-stop debates on TV saw that many of those who had previously wavered on the issue had been turned into warriors by this shocking incident.

Too bad it never happened. The babies in the incubator story is a classic example of how easy it is for the public and legislators to be mislead during moments of high tension. It's also a vivid example of how the media can be manipulated if we do not keep our guards up.

The invented story eventually broke apart and was exposed. (I first saw it reported in December of 1992 on CBC-TV's Fifth Estate – Canada's "60 Minutes" – in a program called "Selling the War." The show later won an international Emmy.) But it's been 10 years since it happened, and we again find ourselves facing dramatic decisions about war. It is instructive to look back at what happened, in order that we do not find ourselves deceived again, by either side in the issue.

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Freedom_from_Chains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:25 PM
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1. I usually like many of the articles that CSM presents
and as anyone who has read some of my posts know I am not a big fan of the christian faith. But many of CSM articles actually has some rational to them.
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:32 PM
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2. CSM, one of the last bastions of journalism left.
They are usually very reliable, fiercely independant, and mostly progressive.
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ohio_liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:36 PM
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3. Selling Gulf War 1.0
Ambassador April Glaspie's Meeting With Saddam Hussein on July 25, 1990

Glaspie: I know you need funds. We understand that and our opinion is that you should have the opportunity to rebuild your country. But we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait. I was in the American Embassy in Kuwait during the late 60's. The instruction we had during this period was that we should express no opinion on this issue and that the issue is not associated with America. James Baker has directed our official spokesmen to emphasize this instruction.

Then we bombed Iraq. Figure that.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:44 PM
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4. Yupper..... bastions of decency and diplomacy. That be US. NOT.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:46 PM
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5. Why are you peeved at CSM?
The writer points out that we must not be sold on a war based on lies.

".....it serves us all well if we make sure the reasons we go are legitimate ones, and not ones cooked up by richly funded public relation firms."

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:04 PM
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7. I looked up one day and they were linking to Freerepublic for some reason?
The phonied up "documents" (probably by Chalabi) falsely linking Galloway to Saddam that they reported as fact didn't help either.
They apologized and retracted but the damage is done. I still see people bring that lie up as fact around here occasionally who missed the retraction.

Don
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:24 PM
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9. Unmasked the forgeries, appologized and retracted.
The only information I find is Galloway's testimony to The Senate in May, 2005

But perhaps you were confusing the Daily Telegraph action with the Christian Science Monitor. The Christian Science Monitor did indeed publish on its front pages a set of allegations against me very similar to the ones that your committee have made. They did indeed rely on documents which started in 1992, 1993. These documents were unmasked by the Christian Science Monitor themselves as forgeries.


I cannot find any instance where CSM links to freepland.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:39 PM
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10. "I cannot find any instance where CSM links to freepland."
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:11 PM
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12. ???
Your link is to an article regarding Rumsfeld and US arms sales to India and Pakistan.

I see no link to the freepsewer.

I appreciate your time on this.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:31 PM
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13. Link is after the article ends. I apologize for not pointing it out before
Edited on Tue Nov-29-05 09:38 PM by NNN0LHI
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 09:51 PM
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14. Hmmm. Thanks for tracking it down. Strange.
Though the link is to an article FR posted from Aviation Now, FR is not an appropriate site to link to.

I am going to write CSM and Jim Bencivenga regarding the inappropriate link to a hate site.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 10:11 PM
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15. I was disappointed too. I used to link to CSM all the time before that n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:46 PM
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11. The fake document case
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/3006166.stm

Paper apologises to Galloway


An American newspaper has apologised to Glasgow Labour MP George Galloway after alleging that he accepted millions of pounds from Saddam Hussein.

The Christian Science Monitor has admitted that a set of documents upon which it based its story on were "almost certainly" fake.

Mr Galloway has always strenuously denied that he took any money from the Iraqi regime.

The newspaper said two of the "oldest" documents - dated between 1992 and 1993 - were actually written within the past few months.

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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 07:48 PM
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6. "Canada's "60 Minutes""
In fact if it were the other way around and 60 Minutes were America's version of the Fifth Estate I think we would all be much better informed.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-05 08:23 PM
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8. I've just started a biography of Robert Gray
who was the chairman of Hill & Knowlton at the time. I'm only at his first government appointment - overseeing Presidential appointments in the Eisenhower White House.

FYI it's called "The Power House" by Susan Trento (Joseph's wife).
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