Thank GOD! Hillary has weighed in on the war just in time

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051129/ap_on_go_co/iraq_clinton_1

By DEVLIN BARRETT, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 3 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Sen.Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday defended her vote to authorize war in Iraq amid growing unease among liberal Democrats who could determine the potential 2008 presidential candidate's future.

"I take responsibility for my vote, and I, along with a majority of Americans, expect the president and his administration to take responsibility for the false assurances, faulty evidence and mismanagement of the war," the New York senator said in a lengthy letter to thousands of people who have written her about the war.

At the same time, she said the United States must "finish what it started" in Iraq.

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Clinton, who sits on the Senate Armed Services Committee, said earlier this month it would be a "big mistake" for U.S. troops to pull out immediately. She stuck with that line Tuesday. "America has a big job to do now. We must set reasonable goals to finish what we started and successfully turn over Iraqi security to Iraqis," she wrote.


Whew! Even Fox viewers should feel comfortable voting for her for President doncha think?

albeit in a circuitous route!

But that answer came AFTER the buzzer.

Who's the next contestant?

Although I would LOVE for the Democrats to scream in unison, "OUT NOW!" those who expect it to happen like that are living in a dream world. What if her definition of "finish what (we) started" is turn over security to Iraqis in 6 months to 1 year, couldn't we get some support over that.

I HATE Hillary as much as the next progressive/liberal, but I think many here tend to pile on. Lest we forget that we do, in fact, need the support of those just slightly left-of-center in this country in order to win elections.

"Protest Everything" and "Question All Authority - All The Time" type. I am a little bit more then "slightly left of center" - except by San Francisco and Berkeley standards (I live in Santa Clara County where I am way left of center).

And sometimes I am turned off by the "pile it on" herd mentality of some on DU.

Besides - Hillary was there for us against the "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" (Coors, Olin, Scaife) and with us on Health Care.

The problem is not a piling on mentality. The problem is a party leadership that is inherently and relentlessly elitist and frankly not very talented, enthusiastic or creative. We do not need Hillary, the ReTHUGlicans do.

and have a Dem nominate Judges, and Cabinet members, and the 3000+ Executive Branch bureaucrats (remember Michael "Brownie" Brown, Christina Beato?) - the 99 and 99/100% pure and have Jebbie Bush or Bill Frist make those nominations.

You really don't like Hillary - start now, run for town council or school board or planning commission or road commission -- and get some of your friends elected as delegates -- and maybe down the road one as a Congress person.

but what she and others with this position have said is false. I believe what I've read and heard from those that have been in Iraq, on the ground. I believe Seymour Hersh. I believe Murha. This war cannot be won militarily. There is a post on GD right now discussing as much-the Iraqi military will never be ready. This is a bullshit game of politics by Dems and Republicans-at least the ones that know better. The reason the White House backpeddled on attacking Murtha after the first shots was because they known he talks to the generals. The top generals in the war were speaking through Murtha because they cannot speak to the president of the United States. He's on a holy mission from God. We are so fucked and I'm not going to pretend there is any easy solution. But the only thing I want is not be lied to anymore.

And this is just crap..a few more months..a few more years..and she wants the president to take responsiblity? Is she insane? Isn't that what we call someone that keeps doing the same thing and expects a different result?

on the wrong guy and made it crystal clear that patriots willing to put themselves on the line were opposed to Bushco and their plans. Now Hillary, Warner, Vilsack and other Neocon lights want to outmaneuver the majority who want the troops home. Well fool me once shame on you, fool me twice - ain't gonna happen.

she`s a moderate republican.

and started slaughtering everyone would you accept this as an answer? Well, we'll stop when you all are trained to regain control of this mess.

THINK!

a nominally representative legislature and a "strong" executive -- we expect a certain level of frankness and honesty on matters of war and peace from our Chief Executive.

The system breaks down if we can't trust the Chief Executive's word (judgement is another matter - not talking judgement or IQ or maturity, just honesty) on matters of war and peace.

We really should NOT have a 100% "caveat emptor" - "count your change before you leave the window" relationship with our chief executive. That is not the way a Democracy operates.

I will not criticize my Representatives for initially following a rule of "Until Proven To The Contrary - Assume The President Doesn't Lie" -- but once he lies on a fundamental issue of war and peace -- fire him (impeach him)."

That's my philosophy. You can't put a web cam on your spouse or kids or elected leadership 24 by 7.

lather, rinse, repeat
lather, rinse, repeat
lather, rinse, repeat
...

rinse Hillery, Lieberman, Fienstien, and all the rest of the corporate war profiteers out of office.

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* is supposed to go on TV tomorrow and announce that the Iraqi army is now ready to take over and he will begin pulling troops out ore at least there's arumor to that effect. So the day before Hillary suddenly finds that she has a spine? Gimme a break.

That is sooooo 2003

"Whew! Even Fox viewers should feel comfortable voting for her for President doncha think?"

problems we created.

Now I realize that we are the problem, staying will only make things worse.

If we pull out now, other nations will probably fill the vacuum created by our departure.

which is? A jumping off point for more aggressive war? Permanent bases? Global U.S. hegemony forced through military endeavors?

Or is it the bogus reasons thus far given of which she speaks?

back when the IWR was voted for. It rang phony then and it rings phony today. I learned subsequently that Dianne's hubby Richard Blum stood to make lots of money from contracts in Iraq. I don't know what Hillary's reason was, but I think it might have something to do with keeping pro-Israel factions in her state placated.

and your comment personally insulting and a very un-Progressive spew for a progressive web site.

Jebbie is watching.

I am for the state of Israel, but not how it's being governed today. Bullying every Arab nation on the planet to keep Israel in existence is not our job as far as I'm concerned.

You may get it on January 21, 2009

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Are you telling me that if Hillary doesn't get the DLC Democratic nomination that you will vote for Jeb?

It won't be the first time I have been disappointed.

I am saying that if we do the normal Democratic thing and gather in a circle - face each other - and commence firing - we will have either MISTER Frist or Jeb Bush.

I saw us shoot ourselves in 1968 was Humphrey was anti war "too late" - and we gave the election to Richard Nixon.

I saw us do it again in 2000 when it "Tweedledum and Tweedledee" - "Don't make Difference" - "Vote for Nader As A Protest." Yeah? We got Bushie.

Let me turn the question around - if Hillary is a candidate for Pres or VP - will you vote for Jebbie or Mister Frist? Or third party as a "Protest" (an indirect vote for Jebbie or MISTER Frist?)

I know in our system it's winner take all. However, a word about Humphrey and Nixon. Nixon for some strange reason had more star power attraction to the unwashed masses who bothered to vote. In the later election Nader didn't have enough. Of course those of us who knew Nader was a closeted Republican in practice (not words) couldn't convince our Greenies that he wasn't our guy. They were almost as bad as the Kool-aid drinking Bush lovers.

matter who you vote for. The best way to prevent that situation is to make it very clear - she is an unacceptible candidate.

or else!!! That's all we need in 2008, Jeb vs. Hillary.

to fundamentalist Jews in NY state? Everyone has to dance around this for fear of being called a anti-semite, I am an anti fundie-all stripes/ Protestant, RC, Jewish and Muslim.

What is the quickest way to pull out without causing any more harm to the nation of Iraq?

and it gives me no pleasure to say this, but if the rank and file let the corporate media and the dem elite shove this loser down our throat, we will lose like we have never lost before. They won't even have to steal it. She is a sorry, sorry excuse for a dem.

who became a Democrat because she married Bill. She isn't the worst of them because she doesn't belong to the Long Knives faction of the Republican Party. However, I don't think we need her politics anymore, nor Bill's. Eight years of PNAC I think have taught Americans a thing or two.

Who is saying....pull them out in the next five minutes? Pull them out in six months...just issue a plan and stick to it. This can't drag on forever like Vietnam did.

they should finish what they started? what if someone is starting to have an affair and realizes this is wrong track? they should finish what they started?

if what you started was WRONG in the first place...then you should look for the least painful and harmful exit and STOP doing what was wrong in the first place.

DON"T LET THEM FRAME THE DEBATE

Seriously this is the end of Bushco! Wait, Bill is Poppy's best bud now, right?

Golf anyone?

Maybe you're talking in her bad ear.

It ain't working Hillary. Where have you been?

It's an illegal war. So, if you start a heist, or a murder spree you are obligated to finish the job? WTF kind of logic is this shit???

How trippingly it comes off politicians' tongues, "Stay the course", "finish what we started", "failed insurgency", and all the rest of the usual crappola to prove she's "tough on defense".

How about donating YOUR kid to the noble cause, Hillary?