I have seen discussions saying that if hillary is nominated in 2008

they would support her over any repuke

will since she has no remorse about her IWR vote, and since she mischaracterized Murtha's resolution, if that unforunate circumstance occurs, I will vote for a third party

Go ahead, make America and the world suffer more.

AND that is the only choice we are allowed with the corporatist DLC Clintons. We little people should be soooo grateful for such representation.
Fuck that opportunistic bitch...and the spouse she rode in on.

an ethical person nominated

Can we PLEASE get a Dem I'm happy voting for?

second of all that just depends, doesn't it. A lot of people were hurt by NAFTA.

But most important, I know what happened in Viet Nam, and this is worse. We are in the middle of a civil war, based on a lie

We are morally and ethically wrong, and anyone who trys to justify this immoral blood bath will never get my support

what they our condemning our young people to is a sin beyond imagination

my state. The Dems can do a hell of alot better than her for our choice.

against her

he changed his party from green to democrat to run against her

In order to make his primary run, Greenfield decided to jump political ships, because running as a Green, he said, would put his candidacy in the "fringe party" category.

http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2005/10/25/antihill.htm

that may cause hillary to change hers, though I really doubt it

Not that I expect Cheney to get the nomination but your suggestion could spell real disaster for the US if another neocon is nominated.

It is like choosing between a rattlesnake and a cobra

in fact I will be contributing to any democratic opponent running against her for Senate

a woman, but the repubs think it's in their best interest to encourage this.
I would vote for her, but I don't think this will happen.
She didn't mischaracterize Murtha, she disagreed with him.

but i will never vote for her.

She stated the exact RNC talking point. That is from an AP source, and when I called her office, and they confirmed it

She believes the Murtha resolution said immediate withdrawl from Iraq, and THAT IS NOT WHAT IT SAID. It said as soon as practicable

I will NEVER vote for her

"immediate" withdrawal. Whoever does/supports/enables it in the most expeditious way, gets my esteem. And if you think an immediate withdrawal is immediate, think again!

They need something to keep them in business.
If Hillary ran, I think that she'd be plagued by contrived contoversies, to the detriment of the Dem candidates as a whole. There's not a chance that she'd be the Presidential candidate.

So you have the opportunity to help sink her candidacy by working for the better choice before the primary.

good point

Remember 1968 - a vote for a Third Party was a vote for Richard Milhaus Nixon.

And in 2000 - a vote for Nader in what too many Dems characterized as a "Tweedledum versus Tweedledee Race" selected Bushie.

How about Tom Coburn or Mitt Romney or Sam Brownback or Jon Kyl or Saxbe Chamblis or Jeff Sessions or Judge Chertoff or Tom Ridge (he got elected to two terms in Pennsylvania).

How about the nominee of a convention where the real power was Cheney or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell or James Dobson?

Let's face it - the GOP candidate will not be John McCain or Olympia Snowe or Susan Collins or Lincoln Chaffee or even George Voinovich or Lindsay Graham.

my decision!

especially if it goes to that pro-war, pro-bankruptcy 'reform' opportunistic free-trader.

For example, should it be a repuke considered "liberal", I will have to see what he or she has to say. But most likely, I would go third party since the repukes have brought us to this point (aided by democrats with an identity crisis).

I am one of those retiree old fart "volunteers" - and I started volunteering two days/month at Frist's local hospital here in town---
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(The cross is because it used to be Alexian Brothers).

first, it's WAY too early to be thinking about the primary wars.

second, the democratic party and the progressive cause is DOOMED if we do not unite behind the eventual democratic nominee.

NO nominee can be perfect. politics is by definition the art of compromise. anyone with a track record will have a record of at least one or two votes or actions with which you disagree.

nevertheless, the democratic nominee -- be it hillary, kerry, clark, dean, some as-of-yet-unknown, whoever -- is SURE to be 10 times better than yet another banana republican, sweeping in on his/her coattails many more banana republicans.


if you want the perfect candidate, RUN FOR OFFICE YOURSELF because that's the only way it's ever going to happen. until then, join the fight on the side of the good guys.

(these are my personal opinions, please ignore the fact that i'm a moderator).

and I am a Mod on another Progressive Site.

http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant01082005.html

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And oh yes. They will run Hillary Clinton. Yup, that ought to show those dirty neocons! If the impotent Democratic Party decides to run Hillary Clinton we will be treated to the sight of an even larger throng of neocon Visagoths overrunning the polls. As my Republican precinct chairman friend Shuggy was telling me over at the local porn shop/wine store (Yes, it's a real place, I never claimed we had any class down here): "Bill Clinton could give you a handjob with one hand and pick your pocket with the other and the whole world loved him. But NOBODY likes that smug party hack Hillary. Except of course other party hacks and a few ditzy liberal doctor's wives. If they decide to run Hillary, the Democratic Party may as well paint a target on its ass and go on down to Tom Delay's next Republican duckshoot fundraiser in Texas."

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I'd rather successfully inch leftward toward sanity -- even if we're still not there -- than take a great leap toward it and fall out of the tree.


Unfortunately, we're a long way from having a viable third party. Perot tried, and lucky for us he took people from the Republicans.

She's too radioactive for the party to seriously raise her to that level. She may have a high Q, and decent approval ratings, but the negative/disapprove levels are too high.

I think your concern will be a non-issue.
The Professor