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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:53 AM
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LOU DOBBS was once again fanning the flames of anti-immigrant sentiment in
this country last night on his program.

bush/neocon/fascist/supremacist? who would've thought it? but then...
he probably gets lots of corproate $$$$$$$$$$$ too.
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wookie294 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:59 AM
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1. Immigrants are another artificially-created "enemy"
Politicians need enemies (real and imagined) to get elected. America is going to waste a lot of money trying to stop illegal immigration. "Illegal" Mexicans are the hardest working Americans in America. But we need to force employers to pay living wages!
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:08 AM
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2. right on!
but ... in a society where employers (corporations) want to make more and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ... it will be an almost impossible battle to force them to pay living wages... and certainly not while big fat asses like those of Lou Dobbs etc sit out there fanning the flames against these immigrants from the americas (the south and central americas).
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Andromeda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:29 AM
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3. That's funny. I watched the same program you did...
and I didn't see that at all. Lou Dobbs thinks that illegal immigrants are being exploited in this country because they work for less and businesses want them for their cheap labor.

He thinks it's wrong and that there's a lot of inequity in our immigration laws.

He also said that Bush doesn't really care about their problems and he only took that short tour along the border for political reasons.

He also mentioned that Bush didn't even bother to get out of the freakin' car and he only rode along four miles of the border and didn't see everything going on.

Lou Dobbs may be a Republican and there are many things I don't agree with him on but he does hit the mark sometimes.
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:52 AM
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7. Agreed on all points.
Couldn't have put it better myself.

Dobbs is a true conservative. If only there were more than a handful of them in the fascist GOP.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:22 AM
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9. That's what I heard, too.
Dobbs has been rather hard on Bush and seems fairly disgusted at his policies, like outsourcing.
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:32 AM
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4. I'm sick of people pointing their finger at immigrants. Point their
finger at the CHEAP LABOR CONS who hire them!
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andino Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:50 AM
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5. dead on....
Another example of how businesses run the USA.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:51 AM
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6. Lou Dobbs says repeatedly that there is a need to go after employers
who hire them.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 06:16 AM
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8. You're right
and he gets as irritated as I do hearing the president say "jobs Americans won't do".
Illegal immigrants will do hard work for very low pay and no benefits...and the employers know they won't file complaints for fear of being deported. So they hire them so they can screw them over and the employer is the only real winner. How much health coverage, over time or even workman's comp do illegal workers get?

It isn't that Americans or legal immigrants won't do the work, sometimes they'd do it even for the same crummy pay but are not hired because the employers don't want to follow employment laws and citizens or legal immigrants would be freer to complain.

It is the employers who benefit and Dobbs really complains about them, rightly. Everyone who works deserves safe conditions and decent pay and these employers try to get around it.

Even if we get a worker program they need to improve the conditions and substandard pay. If they do that, if they treat all employees by lawful standards that blows the argument that Americans wouldn't do it...and the employers feeling safer hiring the newly legal workers, because surely they would have the right to complain without being deported.

Though he talks about it less he gets even more offended by companies that bring in a lot of workers under some act that you can use if there aren't citizens to do the work. They bring in hundreds of people, have their workers train them, then lay off all the American workers and keep the ones from other countries at greatly reduced pay and benefits.
Someone here at DU talked about that happening in her daughters company. Massive layoffs after the trained the hundreds of Philippine workers the company brought in.
Pure scam.

bush isn't out to help the workers from any country.
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mikehiggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:44 AM
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10. "immigrant" vs "illegal"?
It may surprise you to learn that many people think that individuals who illegally cross the US border are not "immigrants" but people involved in criminal behavior. That they may well be exploited by unscrupulous US business interests (are there any other kinds?) does not change that basic fact; if they obeyed the law they wouldn't be here to be exploited in the first place.

No reasonable person can find fault with an individual's attempts to improve his/her lot and that of his/her family, but that does not change the reality that if you break the law you are subject to the penalties of your actions.

What I would like to see is a round-up of employers who implicitly support and facilitate this criminality by hiring "illegals" and have them punished, most particularly by jail time. Fines are largely bs. Time in the slammer is much more informative towards a healthy regard for worker's rights.
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screembloodymurder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 09:02 AM
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11. The Democrats must support immigration control or they will
lose every election for the next 40 years. Your kind of politically correct thinking will kill the party. Go ask any working man how he feels about illegal immigrants.
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