PHOTO: "Roe has been SAVED! She's now PRO-LIFE!"

Signs held up....by a majority of MEN! :crazy:

That's really sad

...it's left over from last week. Bet it smells better than those nutjobs.

These FUCKERS wants to control womens and their body.
Wait until FUCKERS have to pay child support...

The middle-aged woman was sitting in a chair, the large, middle-aged man standing next to her, a look of extreme anger and disgust on his face. The woman was saying to him:

"Well, Harry, if you feel so strongly about it, you shouldn't have an abortion."

Who would have thought we'd still be fighting this battle 30 years later??

I guess you don't notice the millions of men who're pro-choice, huh? I guess you don't notice the millions of women who're anti-choice, huh?

FWIW, if "pay(ing) child support" is the limit of your moral and ethical stance regarding rights that are HUMAN rights (not just female) then I can probably understand how males of your acquaintance aren't persuaded.

:eyes:

Random musing: I wonder how many "pro-choice" women would support forced castration. :puke:

"95 percent of the leaders of the "pro-life" movement are white males over the age of 55. Zero percent of them will ever be pregnant." (paraphrasing here)

if men could get pregnant too.

:hi:

it would be free, and you'd get 2 paid days off from work.

Is this kind of stuff supposed to be funny or something?

That's a good shot at males. Let's all post our racist sayings next and take some good shots at ethnic groups too.

You attacked me as well, down the thread. Nobody here is racist. To equate saying that if men could get pregnant, the anti-abortion men would soon change their mind about abortion with racism...is completely absurd.

Please rein in your overt sensitivity, and think about the comparisons that you're making.

:eyes: AND, who gives a fuck if she's now anti-abortion? That still doesn't give her a right to tell me what the hell to do with MY body.

If you think about it, there are all sorts of sick psychopaths on the pro-life side that wouldn't hesitate to kill people. It's happened before, it'll probably happen again, unfortunately.

whatever that means. But she still made a choice. And if she wasn't given that opportunity to make a choice, even if it regrets it, she probably wouldn't be pro-life now. Sort of circular logic, but true none the less. Sometimes an abortion can be a choice you regret. Welcome to life. Mistakes will be made. But taking away everyones decision to choose because you're unhappy with your choice is so un american and big brotherish, it makes me shudder.

The pro life crowd strikes me as an mechanism for fundies to "act up". I grew up with these people. Lame. My church would often encourage the youth group to participate in "Operation Rescue". I went to one rally, and was appalled. it was just an excuse for Good christians to display "righteous anger". Meaning, yelling profanities, racial slurs, and insults at anyone against them. I couldn't help but think if these people were getting laid, they would be a lot less angry. Still do think that way.

income or partner to help take care of a child


It's easy when your married.

It isn't easy when your 18, poor, and pregnant.

I posted this in another thread awhile back, but I think it's worth a repost. Hope you agree


The short version:

Everybody is pro-life. The difference is, Democrats don't want to put frightened women and their doctors in jail.

Long version:

We are all pro-life. The difference is, Democrats don't think that frightened women and their doctors should be thrown in jail. Democrats believe women should never have to face such desperate circumstances -- no health care, poverty wages – that the only option they see is ending a pregnancy.

Democrats are fighting to guarantee access to health care for every single American. Democrats are fighting to guarantee a living wage for every American worker. Democrats are fighting to make it possible for families to have confidence they will be able to give their children, and their children’s children, the life they deserve. Democrats are fighting to give women more options, so they can be assured that when they bare a child, that child will be loved, protected, and provided for, even if they are unable to do so themselves.

Democrats are committed to true individual freedom, which cannot exist without freedom from fear of economic hardship. Democrats know that a vigorous private sector cannot exist if work is not valued. Democrats know that economic security requires access to quality education and medical care. Democrats know how critical those first months are in the life of a child; they know paid family leave benefits all of us. Democrats know that private industry can only flourish and create prosperity for all when the power of the people to protect their interests is embodied in strong public institutions.

We are all pro-life. The difference is that some of those who call themselves pro-life think throwing frightened women in jail is the solution. The threat of jail did not work before 1967. Democrats know we can do better than that.

Key Points
Never use the word abortion. It is too loaded. Figure out, and practice using, alternate words and phrases.

Never concede that the Democratic position is NOT pro-life. Assert the fact that the position is pro-life – and assert it with confidence. Point out the difference and use simple words. Instead of saying something like “Democrats don’t want to criminalize abortion”, say “Democrats don't want to put frightened women and their doctors in jail.” Examine your talking points. Are there “dry” statements that can be modified to create an image or evoke an emotional context?

Thank you for the repost, very important ideas.

Don't know if I changed any votes, but I definitely got some thoughtful looks when I made these points to the people that identified themselves as pro-life.

My standard response to people who said they were voting for Bush because they were pro-life, was "So am I. <pause for puzzled look> Probably the only difference is that I don't think frightened women and their doctors should be thrown in jail. John Kerry believes women should never have to face such desperate circumstances -- no health care, poverty wages – that the only option they see is ending a pregnancy."

Sometimes this led to a brief discussion -- sometimes with very encouraging results. Even people who cut off the exchange often looked thoughtful. There were a few that looked very taken aback, or sort of blanked, like a circuit shorted out.

I think this "frame" prompts these folks to stop and think. It seems that many who identify as pro-file have never actually thought through what they are fighting for. All they know is that they don't want women to end unplanned pregnancies. They believe it shouldn't happen -- ever. They want it to stop. Period. Pro-life = stopping an evil act. The how isn't part of the equation.

Of course, making it illegal doesn't actually accomplish their goal.

I think most people know someone who confronted the frightening reality of an unwanted pregnacy. Every woman has known the fear that it could happen. Many have experienced a "false alarm." "Frightened women" connects with a real, emotionally charged, image. The fact that tossing such frightened women in jail is consequence of their position is something many don't seem to have internalized.

Words are important. Simply putting the emphasis on the word "never" seems to make the response more effective (perhaps "never" connects with the attractive simplicity of all or nothing thinking).

(those asswipes aren't pro-anything, especially life) when you're post-menopausal, as Ms. Roe now is.

I got her "saved" right here, the dizzy twit.

There would be an abortion clinic next door to every gas station.

I think that's about right too.

Friends of yours?

Do those friends have any good saying about "if an African - African was ever president ...?"

Might as well add racism to the sexism.

Get a two fer oner.

I've heard it said many times...and NOT by friends of mine.

I'm sorry I think it's an accurate comment. And as I pointed out above, please think about the comparisons that you're making before you make them. This comparison of yours is completely absurd.

The 'fact' that Roe became born again happened well over ten years ago.

Nobody noticed then either.

Ugh. Where are the women?

Birth Abortion Ban. Wish I could find the picture, but it was nothing but a punch of old, white-haired, white guys in black suits. Not one woman there.

"If men could get pregnant, not only would abortion be legal, it would be tax deductable."

that's the joke I always heard.

I don't know the correct medical term. I despise the term Partial Birth Abortion.

Language means something!!

Local (at the time) Rev. Flip Benham got to her. It was widely publicized.

Sorry, but that color is Code Pink's hallmark. Maybe American Life League stole it from them.

Roe has been saved? Excuse me. BFD.

I mean, I'm told there's only one being that is going to pass judgement, and he doesn't say very much. Did God tell them she was saved??

I love this from my church buletin; "Unless you are expecting a call from God, please turn off your cell-phones."