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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:18 PM
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YO!!! Pelosi Backs Murtha's Call for Withdrawal (!!!)
Pelosi Backs Murtha Call for U.S. Withdrawal
By Erin P. Billings
Roll Call Staff
Wednesday, Nov. 30

In a move likely to cause a stir among members of her divided Democratic Caucus, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (Calif.) on Wednesday endorsed fellow Democratic Rep. John Murtha’s (Pa.) recent call to begin withdrawing troops from Iraq as soon as possible.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/1_1/breakingnews/11384-1.html
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LincolnMcGrath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:20 PM
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1. You go girl!
Get them back to the perimeter NOW!


Thanks for posting WP
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:20 PM
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2. K&R
Peace.
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:21 PM
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3. Thanx for posting just got done reading the article was gonna post
it but you beat me to it.

Kudos for the Dems.



Kicked and Nominated
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:22 PM
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4. Throw the Pro-War DINOs out of the party.
Here we take our stand.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:27 PM
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5. Text of Murtha's Resolution
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/pr_051117_iraqres.html

For Immediate Release
November 17, 2005  

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution:
 
(H. J. Res._________ )-

To Redeploy U.S. Forces from Iraq.
IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

MR. MURTHA introduced the following joint resolution, which was referred to the Committee on ____________________________

Whereas Congress and the American People have not been shown clear, measurable progress toward establishment of stable and improving security in Iraq or of a stable and improving economy in Iraq, both of which are essential to "promote the emergence of a democratic government";

Whereas additional stabilization in Iraq by U.S. military forces cannot be achieved without the deployment of hundreds of thousands of additional U.S. troops, which in turn cannot be achieved without a military draft;

Whereas more than $277 billion has been appropriated by the United States Congress to prosecute U.S. military action in Iraq and Afghanistan;

Whereas, as of the drafting of this resolution, 2,079 U.S. troops have been killed in Operation Iraqi Freedom; 

Whereas U.S. forces have become the target of the insurgency;

Whereas, according to recent polls, over 80% of the Iraqi people want the U.S. forces out of Iraq;

Whereas polls also indicate that 45% of the Iraqi people feel that the attacks on U.S. forces are justified;

Whereas, due to the foregoing, Congress finds it evident that continuing U.S. military action in Iraq is not in the best interests of the United States of America, the people of Iraq, or the Persian Gulf Region, which were cited in Public Law 107-243 as justification for undertaking such action;

Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2)  Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1.  The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8)  shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10)  through diplomacy.
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CanOfWhoopAss Donating Member (776 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:28 PM
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Better late than never. another link.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:28 PM
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6. Timing was good on her part
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 02:30 PM by lyonn
At first she backed away from Murtha's plan/views. It appears now that she had a chance to ponder his points along with making an announcement after Thanksgiving when she would be heard. Yea!

Isn't Murtha suppose to appear on news shows today?

Edit: Murtha will be on Chris Matthews this p.m.
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 02:35 PM
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7. We are going to see more unity on this as Murtha has the credibility
and experience to be taken seriously.

Great news!
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goodhue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 03:44 PM
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8. Good for her!
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:36 PM
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9. "Redeployment" is the only way to sell this, IMHO.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 04:39 PM by EVDebs
Whatever * does, the R's will have to relabel the withdrawal of US forces to Kuwait, Qatar, etc., as ONLY a redeployment. The upcoming vote in two weeks gives the most political 'cover' for the R's to do this.

Stratergery, see. BTW, anyone read what former NSA Lt Gen Odom has to say lately ? His stuff on 'what's wrong with cut and run' equates with cutting and running from losses. We're not going to install democracy in the Middle East...self-determination will. And most likely they'll end up an Islamic state no matter what * says.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:58 PM
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13. Yep, redeployment is hard to re-label it as 'cut and run'
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:37 PM
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10. I just love her!
:woohoo:
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:43 PM
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11. It's about time! K&R
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:46 PM
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12. it's not so much a change as a next step for the House Dems
From the Nov. 20 Newsweek, Howard Fineman:

Murtha was the one-man tipping point. Initially a strong supporter of the conflict, he had voted for it and the money to pay for it. But on his last trip to Iraq, he had become convinced not only that the war was unwinnable, but that the continued American military presence was making matters far worse. "We're the target, we're part of the problem," he told NEWSWEEK. Back in Washington, he resumed his weekly pilgrimage to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, visiting severely wounded casualties in rehab and agonizing over what he saw there. "I think those visits affected him deeply," said DeLauro. In a long chat with an Irish colleague, he talked about his congressional hero and mentor, another blue-collar Irishman, Thomas P. (Tip) O'Neill. No liberal on defense, in 1967 O'Neill had stunned President Lyndon B. Johnson by telling him that the Vietnam War had become a lost cause. Now, Murtha mused, it was his turn to confront a president with harsh truths.

Which was precisely what the Democratic leadership wanted Murtha to do. A close ally, Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, was anxious to open a second axis of attack on Iraq—and was aware of his growing antagonism toward the war. The two met and agreed that he would make his case in private to the party conference. After that, on his own, he would introduce a resolution calling for withdrawal of troops from Iraq "at the earliest practicable date." Pelosi and the other liberals would keep their distance, while their own Marine charged up the Hill. Framed by long rows of American flags at a press conference, he denounced the Iraq war as a "flawed policy wrapped in an illusion."

Murtha had known he would set off an explosion. He did. His arrival on the House floor was greeted with cheers from fellow Democrats, by dagger glances from Republicans. A near riot ensued. An Ohio backbencher named Jean Schmidt, eager to demonstrate coldbloodedness, was given time by GOP leaders to relate a phone call from a Marine whom she said wanted "to send Congressman Murtha a message: that cowards cut and run, Marines never do." Furious Democrats charged down the aisles, fists in the air, shouting that Schmidt's words had to be stricken from the record. "You guys are pathetic!" yelled Rep. Martin Meehan of Massachusetts, while Rep. Harold Ford of Tennessee charged into the GOP side to confront them. The melee was so intense that it brought the soothing presence of Rep. Tom DeLay from his secure undisclosed location, and Schmidt eventually apologized. By a vote of 403-3, the House ultimately rejected a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution, which the GOP had crafted (without Murtha's permission) to sound as cravenly antiwar as possible. Seeing the obvious trap, virtually every Democrat, including Murtha, voted against it.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10118733/site/newsweek/

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:58 PM
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14. CON media trying to say "quickly" like they said "immediate"
Murtha called for us to discuss withdrawl as soon as possible. Not to withdraw as soon as possible.

CNN first reported that Pelosi backs Murtha's plan. Next hour they said Pelosi supports quick withdrawl. LYING LYING LYING

with LYIN' AP link...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1956753
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 04:58 PM
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15. Yes
I was very happy and surprised.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:25 PM
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16. GO NANC GO!!!
Edited on Wed Nov-30-05 05:25 PM by MyPetRock
That's the spirit!!!!!
:kick::woohoo::bounce::woohoo::kick:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 05:32 PM
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17. YAY!! & R nt
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Faryn Balyncd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:15 PM
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18. significant
development
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:17 PM
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19. WOOHOO! Go Nancy!
:toast: Someone with BALLS! :evilgrin: so to speak. :blush:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:21 PM
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20. Pelosi for president!
nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-05 07:25 PM
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21. "!!!"..is right!
I'm a little stunned but I'll be fine. I hear so much talk about how we "made this mess so we can't just leave" rhetoric so this is a wee bit surreal..I'm happy with Nancy!
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W stands for Wacko Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-01-05 04:06 AM
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22. Pelosi has the right stuff. She is one for all to learn from.
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