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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:33 AM Original message |
DEBATE: Should Stan Tookie Williams receive clemency? |
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liberalitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
1. Simple answer to your question.... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
20. thank you replying. i'm wondering, have you looked through the |
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jaysunb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:43 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. you beat me to it... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
44. "a pre-ordained mind set....." yes, jaysunb. and so many do! i do not |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
2. Another simple answer to your question is yes |
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PDJane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I'm with the yes group........ |
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Ex Lion Tamer (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Add me to that same list. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
43. great! thank you, Ex Lion Tamer! will you please write that to the gov and |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
42. thank you, PDJane! will you please write something like that to the |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
38. You know what's funny about how right wingers look at your argument |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
80. pathological, eh, Hippo_Tron? any ego-stroking way to see anything. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. well said, and strongly, Toots! thank you! will you please write something |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
59. No one should be put to death by the state under non-emergency |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
86. "under non-emergency circumstances"? i do not understand. but i do |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes..and for all the others facing the barbarism of homicide by the state. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
41. "... facing the barbarism of homicide by the state." yes yes YES!! |
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converted_democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
5. I don't understand the purpose of having the word forgiveness in |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
55. We also have the word Genocide in the English Language |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
89. true, it's a big problem! thank you, converted_democrat! will you please |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. "Clemency" suggests that he will go free. I think they should commute |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Clemency in this case is life w/o parole. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #13 |
125. If he is innocent, why would he receive life without parole? |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #125 |
129. He is up for clemency (life w/o parole), NOT pardon. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
95. exactly. his lawyers are asking for life without parole. will you please |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Kick and call~ I'm with the YES group! nt |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
101. great! thank you so much, goclark! eom |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Absolutely YES |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
106. thank you for the strength and clarity of your reply, Beaverhausen! eom |
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monobrau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
10. No |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Please read this beautifully eloquent post by H2O Man... |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
71. Do you have any |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:53 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I have had |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. "Hostile jab" |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Again |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Sorry. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. My error. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #88 |
93. I will readily admit to having |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. That's fine. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
105. I think it's pretty obvious that |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #105 |
112. to believe this is injustice is to believe it equally FOR the sake of |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:38 AM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Isn't this ironic? |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
111. to support an execution without learning the facts, is, EXACTLY, "heading |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #111 |
116. I have read everything you have posted... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #17 |
107. kick for H20 Man's great gift to us all in this piece! eom |
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liberalitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. Although I consider myself a raging liberal..... |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. They may be providing their assumptions of others. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. i asked if you'd read the material because i realize that you aren't |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. You do realize that physical evidence |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
114. both, actually. there was only later-retracted hearsay from questionable |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #114 |
118. Please, when you have time... |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:40 AM Response to Reply #118 |
121. whole new systems of justice. i prefer much about finland's prison |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. More suggested reading: A beautifully eloquent post by H2O Man... |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #25 |
45. I've read all the info, |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:57 AM Response to Reply #45 |
119. we are not arguing that he is innocent, though many believe he is. we |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:13 AM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Not true. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. yes, i did misstate that. thank you for calling it to my attention. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:40 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Actually, we were both wrong. |
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wixomblues (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #119 |
122. After deliberating, |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:54 AM Response to Reply #122 |
128. thank you, wixomblues! the most urgent matter is stopping the execution, |
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Berserker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #23 |
61. The death penalty is a deterrent |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 11:17 AM Response to Reply #61 |
130. thank you so much for sharing that here, Berserker! my heart is in my |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
113. It would make me feel better to not allow hate speech like Rush on the air |
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kysrsoze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:41 PM Response to Reply #10 |
26. He did what he did. I don't support him, but I'm saying "Yes" because... |
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Thtwudbeme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. I have worked murder scenes as a paramedic |
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jmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. Our legal system should be based on raw emtional reactions |
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the_real_38 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:11 PM Response to Reply #10 |
103. No - let me see if I've got this right - |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #10 |
108. Murder is never justified...especially when it's the government doing it.. |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 08:48 PM Response to Reply #10 |
132. I can get the picture and NO death Penalty could |
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prescole (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. No way. Same for Mumia. Having Hollywood celebs on your side |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. You're right... nothing will ever bring back those who have been killed. |
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Beaverhausen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. Neither will putting these men to death |
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prescole (416 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I don't believe in the death penalty--I'd give him life without parole |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. His clemency would be life w/o parole. |
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Bombtrack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 01:40 AM Response to Reply #11 |
117. Or the thousands of lives destroyed or damaged from the organization |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
12. As long as the "state" kills people as punishment we will never |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 05:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
29. absolutely. well said, Javaman. thank you! eom |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:51 PM Response to Reply #12 |
56. Id say that we have advanced quite well in 200 years as a nation |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
92. Perhaps as a nation but not as a civilization...n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
69. And will we advance as a civilization |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. There will never ever be a good reason, to me, to kill another human being |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. One thing is for sure... |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #98 |
126. one mans ignorance does not make a society. n/t |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. I agree! |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 02:48 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. I meant, tookies ignorance does not absolve him from his crime... |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'd have no problem with it. - eom |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
21. excellent interview of Mr Williams by Amy Goodman of |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Thanks for the article! Keep those phones busy folks ! nt |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. Yes he should not receive Death |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. if you support clemency, please sign the petitions! and call, fax and |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. NOTE: Clemency is life w/o parole; not release from prison. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
33. I'm for the death penalty... |
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NYC Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
35. I am 100% against state killing. NOBODY should be executed by the state. |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:29 AM Response to Reply #35 |
109. I agree with you 100% on this. eom |
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Yollam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:30 PM Response to Original message |
36. I could never advocate for this man as an individual. |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. His clemency will keep him in prison... life w/o parole. |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:43 PM Response to Original message |
46. kick |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
48. kick |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
49. kick |
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AussieDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:17 PM Response to Original message |
50. I don't know Debra Saunders' politics or motives, but she wrote this |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
51. No. We're talking a mass murderer here. |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. You sound just like Crittendon. |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Hey, it's you again. |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Only people who are against Cap. Punishment are welcome to debate |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Yes, apparently the whole truth must not be known. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. Well, y'all definetly WONT get added to my ignore list. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:26 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. She is incapable of debating the case. |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
72. As a person who has |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. fair enough |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Fair enough. |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
54. He has never accepted his guilt |
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Fescue4u (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 08:53 PM Response to Original message |
57. Is the this the debate where if you disagree |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
67. Agree with the party line... |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #67 |
79. I thought the Democrats were generally pro DP anyways |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Most of us are, I think. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:17 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Yeah, the DU population tends to be further left than the Democrats |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #81 |
110. About 40% of Americans favor life imprisonment over the death penalty |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:20 PM Response to Original message |
62. Clemency - Yes |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:21 PM Response to Original message |
63. Absolutely not. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Agreed 100%. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Likewise, I prefer saving the DP for the 'creme de la creme' |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. This reminds me of the |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 09:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. check PM |
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dad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Fry him! |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Indeed, its about a 99.99% chance that Gov. Easley will let him get it. |
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hiaasenrocks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. That almost sounds like a cheer. |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:47 PM Response to Reply #76 |
94. Lynching by State and Race 1882-1962 |
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BreweryYardRat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #70 |
84. Mmm-hmm. |
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FyurFly (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #63 |
102. NO |
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Ekirh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
97. I'm against the Death Penalty |
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Sapphire Blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:57 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. His clemency would be life w/o parole. |
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Clara T (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
99. Yes |
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nofurylike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #99 |
133. too awful too awful too true |
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ForrestGump (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-01-05 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
104. I knew some Bloods and Crips, for a short while, long ago |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-02-05 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
134. Locking |
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