Terrorist attacks in Israel down since Iraq war

Was this the reason for the war?

You have discovered the real reason we are at war with Iraq. :eyes:

with Israeli pullbacks and some agreements going on between Israelis and Palestinians. I should have known it was related to the "war on terra" in Iraq.:sarcasm:

the families of suicide bombers in Israel money. But I think it was the wall. And death or Arafat. And withdrawl of Gaza. So many things. I don't think you can say that the occupation of Iraq was the key factor.

We can guess about the reasons for why they went to war and what played a greater or lesser role. Since it was Cheney - who mastered the whole thing - I'd say it was payback for Saddam. But then again who were the goons behind the Niger forgeries? And of course - the neocons. And big oil? Wasn't Cheney sitting at a Haliburton desk - running that company into the ground while he was getting PNAC memos - before Bush asked him to find a VP?

Saddam was a bad man. They could have gotten rid of him without going inside Iraq and taking over. Somehow they really, really, really wanted to go inside Iraq and experiment and set precedent for pre-emptive war. There are lots of reasons for going to war. Without WMD - and with that intel stretched - the whole thing stinks. As do Niger forgeries.

of the neo-con ideology, they haven't even finished the first stage yet. Events in Israel have started running on their own. It has to do with many factors including the death of Arafat and the change in Palestinian leadership as well as shifts in Sharon's approach. The intifada seems to be off now and some of the violence is coming from radical Israeli groups that the army has had to put down as well.

Personally, I think things may be getting better there. I think all will depend upon how well Palestians fare economically, especially with more roads becoming open. I think the wall may become a point of consternation at some point. I find it interesting that Sharon has started a moderate party and left Likud a little isolated. I don't read Israeli dailies and the coverage in the US has waned. With that being the case, I don't have as good a pulse on the situation.

internet have changed things. No longer to Palestinians & Israelis have to live in the same world. The person was taling about Israelis being online and communing with the world that way and forgeting Palestinians because there is a wall and the door is open to the rest of the world through the net. And this was bad for Palestine because the Israelis are an important source of jobs.

I have heard the young Palestinians - refugess all over the world - are sending money and connected to the Palestine in Palestine but are happy in their lives in Canada or wherever. So that Palestinians could look towards other leadership and forms of finance. But that this was coming from peaceful places. I forget where I heard that.

You really have to wonder if there truly is peace in Lebanon and Jordan and the like - how the economy on the whole will improve and the Palestinians could be interconnected outside of Israel. If there is peace. And it doesn't look like killing Jordanian civilians went over better for Zarkowi than killin arab civilians worked for bin Laden a decade ago.

I'm hopeful. I hope the Iranina leader was just blowing hot air. I hope.

bluster, I think that's par for their politics and I'm not quite sure it's an added threat since both countries have threatened each other so much before. I guess we have to wait and see if there is more to come in that regard.

I think if we abandon the conquest and start working towards economic integration, maybe we can put some of the violence to rest. It will take some leadership from someplace.

of those words....:shrug:

hard lined. Wouldn't that be terrible if it all worked backwards for the cons? Not terrible if it results in peace in Israel. But just spooky.

I read something this morning where people in the know reported that the Iraqis were not capable of fighting the insurgency. It seems we are back to where we were 8 months ago.

I fell for the Powell hype too. Somehow I trusted that man. It never was him running the war. Such a tradgedy, the neos.

Yes - let's hope some deep wish for peace comes out of this. If the neocons wanted to scare the middle east - they may have succeeded. Makes you wonder why Rummy went in with half the troops. I have to believe he really thought they were all that was needed. I don't want to go to a place where it seems that he did half the job hoping it would take twice or four times as long. Because i really do believe they thought Iraq would be the precedent they wanted to set. And that certainly has not worked out for them.

And now the kidnappings have started again. Which seems to get to me across the world quicker than a daily dose of dead American teens somehow.

I hope Iran was about bluster.

I am dumbfounded by the way neocons treat Chavez and the like. It would seem that group of testosterone in the WH would have to look at how well non really - really -democratic governance has stood the world. Iran, Iraq, are these not examples of why any true democratic governance is worth more than a billion barrels of oil by using puppets - as the last 40 years go.

...that you're a delusional Freeper dumbass?