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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 12:58 PM
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Dean intends to focus on 5 issues in Phoenix this week-end.
http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=54497

Issues that Howard Dean, Democratic National Committee chairman, will highlight:

• Honesty and integrity in government

• New Iraq policy to reduce the military’s role and its vulnerability to attack

• Limit outsourcing of American jobs and create new ones through energy independence

• Moving toward universal health care

• Improving public education


More about what he said in the interview:

Although Democrats publicly cringe at the comparison, the new agenda even includes a couple of the same issues as the 1994 Republican plan.

Just like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., did more than a decade ago, Dean said Friday that Democrats will restore ethics and integrity to national politics.

Dean’s message will be aided by a wave of events this year — from criminal indictments of congressional leaders and White House officials to the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina and growing unease about the U.S. military’s continued presence in Iraq — that have damaged the public’s image of Republicans.

"You can’t trust them with your money," Dean said. "You can’t trust them to tell the truth. You can’t trust them to manage the war. You can’t trust them if you have a natural disaster. Now tell me why people are going to vote for Republicans?"

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:09 PM
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1. That is a kick-ass platform!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:41 PM
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10. It IS a kick-ass platform. Plus, may I draw your attention to the
final highlighted statements at the end of the original post? The litany of "you can't trust them on..."

That. Is. BEYOND. Brilliant.

ANYTHING that starts with "you can't TRUST them on..." is a winner. Rock-solid, 24-karat, blue-ribbon WINNER. Hammer it home. OVER AND OVER. EMPHASIZE the "you can't trust..." part. Trust is KEY. It's what bush campaigned on, exploiting the public distaste for Clinton's big public lie about Monica. They made it their issue and wrapped themselves in it as though it were an American flag and a Bible put together. TRUST. Which they've BLOWN. And we need to remind EVERYONE of that, again and again. AND AGAIN.

TRUST. Which they've BLOWN.

You can't trust them on ANYTHING. What they're saying OR what they're doing.

Take it and run with it, guys. It's a GREAT meme. World-Class. And it'll win for us next year.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:52 PM
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12. I agree ...
"You can’t trust them with your money," Dean said. "You can’t trust them to tell the truth. You can’t trust them to manage the war. You can’t trust them if you have a natural disaster. Now tell me why people are going to vote for Republicans?"

You are so right ... All these MINDNUMBING falsities about democrats and liberals that have become accepted as truths, have become accepted as truths because they have been repeated to often ...

Ds and libs have a bad habit of just repeating THE TRUTH over and over, but it falls on death ears ... Part of the problem is the simplicity of media and masses and the need for what is being stated to be REAL short and simple ... Can't trust fits the bill, and isn't so closely aligned with establishe anti-D rhetorit that it can easily be turned back ...

Say it loud, and say if often ...

I also like the five issues, especially universal healthcare ... I think if they dig in their heels and push it, it can resonate with the country now ... Hillary took her lumps on the first go around, but SO MUCH is tied to this issue now ...

People have gotten all in a bunch about the D's "not having a message ...," while saying the Rs have Bushco and not accounting for the fact that you can only have ONE president ... BUT, they can't roll out the agenda too early ... It will die on the vine, it will get deluted, other things will pop up ...

It will come together ...

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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:08 PM
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14. Yes!
Agree wholeheartedly!

"You can't trust them..."

Yes indeedy, we can hammer that one home.
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:12 PM
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2. I agree a good platform to run on
:) :) :kick:
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BrainRants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:12 PM
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3. BAM Baby!
In a word: Trust!

Time to go on offense.

Let's go get 'em Howard!
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:13 PM
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4. Excellent!
And I would expect nothing less from Dean. :toast:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:16 PM
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5.  New Iraq policy to reduce the military’s role,its vulnerability to attack
Good way to word it.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:23 PM
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7. Heck yes.
The Dem party is not anti-military, as the wingnuts have claimed.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:18 PM
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6. i'm really happy that he included universal health care. n/t
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 01:23 PM
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8. Dam Stright!
Way to think Howard!
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Clarkansas Donating Member (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:10 PM
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9. Sounds GOOD!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 02:43 PM
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11. Kicked and HEARTILY recomended!
Just three more...

We need that "You can't trust them... " litany to be seen by the most people possible.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 03:02 PM
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13. Sounds great. Now let's go beat the Republicans bloody with it. n/t
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 04:03 PM
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15. Howard Dean speaks for me. n.t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 07:15 PM
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16. Kick.
So the ones who want to send thousands of emails to him, not congress, not the DLC, DCCC, DSCC will see that he is doing his job as chairman.

Here is how he formed the "platform".

"So Dean spent months surveying leaders and likely candidates in every state to gather ideas for a common message. The result is somewhat similar to the 1994 "Contract with America" that launched an eventual Republican sweep of Congress and the White House.

Although Democrats publicly cringe at the comparison, the new agenda even includes a couple of the same issues as the 1994 Republican plan.

Just like former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., did more than a decade ago, Dean said Friday that Democrats will restore ethics and integrity to national politics."

"This is going to be the same platform in Alabama and Arizona as it is in Northern California and the Midwest," Dean told the Tribune on Friday. "We are going to run the same campaign everywhere in America, and that’s how we are going to win."

He is doing his job. Those who are going to weigh the DNC down with thousands of mails might do well to rethink who needs to get into the voting problem...like Kerry and Edwards for example.

They went after Dean because of the war, yet he opposed it. They are going after Dean over voting. Be fair, go after the right people.

I heard this would happen the minute they saw the agenda from Phoenix. It was Kerry's job to stand up for us, and other leaders in the party. Send them thousands of emails.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 08:02 PM
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17. Simple and truthful
Go Dean!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:07 PM
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18. And the vote-stealing machines? Howard??????
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 09:57 PM
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19. Yes, how about the post saying donate to Greens but bug Howard.
Sheri Leigh Myers
Election Reform Activist
Los Angeles

p.s. And just to show how sincere I am, I'm asking 1000 of my vote-loving web friends to substitute their names and fax this letter to you at the DNC, (202) 863-8174, give $$ to Fitrakis and Bonifaz and ask all their friends to do the same.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=403873&mesg_id=403873

How about that? Telling Dr. Dean and the DNC to fix it, but we are
going to help you...we are donating Green. That is a little blatant, but I am glad it is getting aired. I heard this would happen today when the agenda came out. It is the 5 issues he concentrating on right now....but that is not enough. Withholding support until the DLC gets the power back. Way to go.

And telling him with an in your face attitude what you are doing. It stuns me, but I am glad it is getting attention.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:16 PM
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20. Election fraud is the most serious issue facing the country,
and Mr. Dean needs to hear and understand that his refusal to address the topic is going to COST him.
This problem is for HIM to remedy. As long as he refuses, support SHOULD be withheld.
Dean got where he did in 2003 and 2004 because of grass-roots support. His silence on the topic of election-stealing machines is a betrayal of his supporters and a betrayal of democracy.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:26 PM
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21. Then why are you advocating using him and donating to Greens?
That simply astounds me. I am glad that it is coming out in the open.

To quote you above:

Election fraud is the most serious issue facing the country,"
Posted by nicknameless
and Mr. Dean needs to hear and understand that his refusal to address the topic is going to COST him.
This problem is for HIM to remedy. As long as he refuses, support SHOULD be withheld.

Dean got where he did in 2003 and 2004 because of grass-roots support. His silence on the topic of election-stealing machines is a betrayal of his supporters and a betrayal of democracy


Wow. just wow.

It is all his fault, you think. No one else is to blame at all in your mind. Ok, as I say, someone in our DEC/DFA group here is going to post it later at the DNC blog, and I will share this thread with her as well.

So that is how it is going to be done. Say it clear and loud, my friend. Then we know who to blame when the corporate wing of the party takes control again.....oops. Maybe that is what you guys really want.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:50 PM
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23. You *do* know that he's the head of the DNC, don't you?
Dean has the bullhorn, and he's refusing to use it to try and eliminate election fraud -- the MOST SERIOUS issue facing our democracy. Mass disenfranchisement across the country, and he isn't screaming "fraud" -- even after what just happened in Ohio? Dem leaders who don't speak out about this are enabling a national betrayal.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:53 PM
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24. He is? I did not know that.
Yes, I am sure it is all his fault.

As I say, I am glad it is getting attention here in a couple of posts. It needed to be aired that the the Greens and maybe others are not supportive of the DNC. It needed to be aired, I have tried to point it out. But I never succeeded. Maybe this will.

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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:02 PM
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26. As long as he refuses to seriously address election fraud, Howard Dean
is neither being supportive of Democrats or democracy!!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:28 PM
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22. Can't your Greens and PDA and others involved just make your own 3rd party
Without trying to tear ours down? Why do you have to do that. Just have your own party.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 10:55 PM
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25. We're trying to return the Democratic party to what it used to be -- the
party of the people -- not corporations. As long as Dem leaders are silent or complicit on election fraud, repugs will continue to steal our elections. That "love it or leave it" crap will only result in more NeoCon crooks in office.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:07 PM
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27. So you are fixing the party by not supporting it. Way to go.
.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:33 PM
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29. Absolutely! No support until election fraud is seriously addressed!!!!!!!
Dean's refusal to address this issue is a betrayal of Democratic voters. Why doesn't he care that our ballots aren't being counted honestly?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:15 PM
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28. Since this is called a Democratic forum, why don't you join with us...
in trying to change the party from within instead of trying to destroy it from without?
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:38 PM
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30. The Democrats have been being defrauded out of election victories
since before 2000 (Hagel (R)/NE). We have given time and money, we've made phone calls, signed petitions, faxed and snail mailed about the issue of election fraud -- AND STILL, NOTHING IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT!!!!!!!

You may want to keep being the blind cheerleader, but many of the rest of us are too fed up with being betrayed by our Dem leaders.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:44 PM
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31. So at a Democratic forum you are advocating against the party?
Edited on Sat Dec-03-05 11:44 PM by madfloridian
Am I clear on that? You are calling me a blind cheerleader and you are advocating against the party?
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:54 PM
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32. Those who not only refuse to address the issue of election fraud, but
advocate against its being addressed, are actively working to defeat the Democratic party.
Why are you so determined that election fraud not be discussed?
It is the single most important issue facing our withering democracy.
It is the single biggest obstacle to the election of Democrats.

Pretty important topic to avoid, huh? Which party do you *really* want to see in power?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-05 11:58 PM
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33. You are absolutely misreading and misquoting me completely.
Fine by me. I am glad as I say to see this issue getting aired here. It is important.
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:03 AM
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34. You took issue with my first post here, which merely read:
And the vote-stealing machines? Howard??????

The choice is simple: either put an end to election fraud, or kiss the Democratic party good-bye.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:46 AM
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35. The Arizona Democratic Party passed a resolution regarding
Voter fraud and Diebold voting machines. It is quite extensive. Por chair , Harry Mitchell is also the head of our committee dealing with this issue.Dr. Dean HAS also been addressing this issue in Phoenix as well as elsewhere. It has been made more front and center than has been indicated.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:15 AM
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37. I'm with you
Even though I agree with every Dean said, nothing is going to change unless we change the voting machines.
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RagingInMiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:56 AM
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36. Sing this song to the tune of MC Hammer's Can't Touch This

Can’t trust them
Can’t trust them (x2)
Can’t trust them (oh-oh oh oh oh-oh-oh) (x2)
The republicans take your money, give it to the rich
They take your children, send them to Iraq
They sit around doing nothing, when disaster strikes
Is it any wonder, that they’re all under indictment
Can’t trust them
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:30 PM
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38. I thought Dean was outspoken, and most at the meeting did, too.
Some of the headlines today show he really went after the GOP. But some here still want to see the party fail. I guess I don't understand.
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