Who's nutty idea was it anyway to take

Christmas out of Christmas? Dont these nutjobs understand that Christmas is for KIDS!!!!!! What is wrong with adults now a days, whinning and bitching about a holiday---Christmas for pete's sake. Have they forgotten the magic of the season, dont they remember when they were children how it made them feel, the anticipation, wonderment and aww --- are they so strung out on koolaid and generic drugs that they cant see they are taking the mystical magic away from the kids because they dont want to offend anyone gimme a fricin break.....
These boobjobs have taken all the fun out of the season, making parents feel guilty if they dont spend 5 grand on Christmas. You give a child a gift that they really want and give it to them with love you have a happy kiddo (unless its a mini repug in training then they are looking at the dollar value)----these asshats are taking everything away from the kids, taking their memories away---because they cant agree on which hand to wipe their ass with.
Im not a religious person and this isnt a religious issue with me-- its taking away something that has been so innocent as far as kids go that has me so pissed off. It's bad enough we have a bunch of whackjobs running our country and sending our kids off to be killed, dont let them kill the kids we have here by taking something so innocent away from them.
Sorry for the rant but sometimes you just have to cut loose.........
BTW
Happy Hanukka, Happy Yule (my favorite), Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa.....and for our friends up north Happy Boxing Day!!!!

~~~Celtic

Nobody has ever taken the Christmas out, but there was a movement to extend it to non Christians back in the good old days before the crazy people took over.

Now the crazy people are in control and want to restrict it to Christians again (never mind other ethnic winter holidays) and they're so terribly angry that other people were included in their exclusive holiday that they're bleating in front of every camera can find.

That's what this is really about, inclusion versus exclusion. Don't buy the bullshit, look at what they're really saying.

I hadn't thought of it in those terms, and I will spread the word. :)

are the one's that brought up "OUR" POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and how "WE" took the Christ out of Christmas.

Who was the ones who brought this up? I don't think it was the left; however, the right is pointing their fingers at us and they are the ones that started this BS.

It shows another confirmation to the American People that the left cares more about PC then Christianity. They are as extreme with their beliefs as the Taliban was with theirs.

Yeah, their good at their little dirty lying deeds.

I can't wait to watch Falwell tomorrow. He starts every sermon (every Sunday) with some hate-filled remark. He calls NOW "The National Organization of Witches.

Limpballs probably started it and you know what they say about s*** . . . it just slides down the hill until it hits the next pile. Of course, if Limpballs said it, Hannity is going to echo him. Annorexia Coulter seems to follow Hannity and add to the list Michelle (Ann Coulter wannabe)Malkin parroted it. Then probably Scarborough, and O'Reilly, and on and on down the road of propaganda.

Sounds like all they could come up with to use against us. I mean, after all, aren't just about all of them, including Bush and Cheney under investigation? Just another ploy to make us look like none of us could possibly be Christians, they are the only true Christians and to prove it look what the left is saying now . . . (it doesn't matter the left never said it . . . truth is not the right's strong suit).

You really can't hate them because they are so pathetic you have to feel sorry for them and their grasping at straws these days.

Actually, what it's about is changing the subject and demonizing the opposition. Things aren't going as well as they'd like for the right-wing so they need to get people talking about something else. Ask yourself why Faux News is going on about this so much lately.

A winter holiday season would be inclusive. People can celebrate it as they like, including Christmas, Channukah, Kwanzaa, Winter Soltice, Saturnalia or anything else they might want to call it.

seems to be in top form here. dumping on the spirit of christmas is absolutely in vogue on this board this year. wasnt last year. the right starts the battle by saying the left is trying to take away christmas, then the people on this board accomodate the right and start exactly following the repugs talking point. they do it with our dem cadidates too. really an amazing phenomon.

kids arent dumb they hear more than we do...and they dont need this crapola....We as adults know its a bunch of hogwash but its the kids who get the worse end of the deal...
It didnt help either talking to my granddaughter tonite and she says Gramma its not a christmas program its a winter pageant....and shes only 5.....ughhh.
~~Celtic

than the one you're complaining about. The "magic" is mostly about Santa and the expectation of presents. The more stuff the kid has reason to expect, the more magical it seems.

The rest of it - decorations, songs, goodies, etc. - is just as much fun for kids, regardless of what things are called and whether they believe in Santa. This bullshit about Christmas being magic for kids is just an excuse to amuse ourselves at their expense and perpetuate the kind of thinking that has given us the imaginary war on Christmas - specifically, the idea that things should never change.

The treating the kids like they're as "not dumb" as you say.

I think it's about a whole lot more than stuff for kids, they may get it better than the adults. Why else do you get Santa Claus letters asking for a new job for daddy, or to take care of all the homeless animals, or to bring sister a new arm. The magic of the season is imagining the impossible. Maybe that is why cynics hate it more than any other time of year.

and I'm sorry, but imagining the impossible isn't too healthy when you do it year after year and it keeps not happening. Call me a cynic. I don't hate Christmas; I actually kind of like it. It's the shower of stuff and forced spending and the refusal to include everyone that bother me. And fooling children for entertainment. That pisses me off.

Volunteer at a family shelter and help kids make Christmas, or whatever holiday, presents for their moms and dads. Then see if you still think it's about forced spending and excluding and fooling children.

So you could be a little less presumptuous in throwing out advice. I don't get why you're trying to argue with me, anyway. I said I have a problem with a particular aspect of Christmas that I happen to think is large, and you're acting like I said that's what it is and telling me how I am and what I should do and everything.

You don't take your negative attitude into the shelter, especially during the holidays. There's a difference between empathy and hopelessness. Or maybe your job is too much paper and not enough people, I don't know. When I've volunteered with people, at any time of year, I have always been left with humility over the courage others have in desperate situations, and only transient moments of cynicism. There sure is alot of gloom and doom on this board lately.

I think your mind reader's workin' overtime.

That's what you said, no mind reading necessary. If you don't recognize that as a negative attitude, well yikes.

and it's pretty ridiculous to suggest that renaming things takes any of the supposed kid magic out of it. I realize that's the OP's suggestion, not yours. A couple of big points of mine that you seem to have missed are that it's still magical without Santa and adults shouldn't treat kids like idiots. I also agreed with you that it's better to be inclusive, in case you missed that, too.

I hope you don't attempt to use your overworked mind reader - and really, it's just broken - on someone who gets really pissed off at strangers telling them how they are and what they should do. Back atcha with the yikes.

That's what you said and that it's all a bunch of crappola.

Look, YOU are the one that said all this crappola, so don't go laying your shitty attitude off on me.

Santa and the magic of Christmas means alot more than a bunch of presents to most kids, even if they can't verbalize it completely and even if you don't recognize it.

if I'd had any idea how deeply my statement that most of the kidly magic is about presents would offend you, I'd have kept it to myself. This thread would have died 12 hours ago if not for you and your bizarre fixation on my attitude. I'm done.

What's wrong with a winter pageant that blends all sorts of cultures and customs? For that matter, there's historical lessons in many Christmas carols, as there may well be with Jewish music. But I wouldn't know about the Jewish music because nobody in school ever TAUGHT ME. Don't you think it's about time we pulled our heads out of our ethno-centric asses and learned something about the rest of the world? The arts are a wonderful vehicle to enlighten our children.

As a proud Nut, I demur! :silly: