Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Bush failure: Iraqi Kurds Will Proclaim Independence in Case of Civil War

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:31 AM
Original message
Bush failure: Iraqi Kurds Will Proclaim Independence in Case of Civil War
The recent violence in the Kurdish area of Iraq has exposed yet another failure to plan for the aftermath of the invasion by the Bush team. The Kurds in the north have for generations dreamed of an independent homeland, an understandable goal. Yet a push for independence coming now, as a result of the ill-fated Bush occupation of Iraq, will only draw the entire region into further chaos, further damage US credibility and damage our relationship with Turkey, a secular Muslim democracy, a good ally in the region and NATO member. It would also further erode our hopes of ever "winning hearts and minds" in the Arab world, which is crucial to contain the recruiting efforts of the REAL terrorists, such as ObL.

Ethnic Kurds are found in the nations of Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Armenia and Syria. The breakup of the old Ottoman empire led to a Western imposition of borders irrespective of the ethnic loyalties and natural divisions of the populations involved, much as done in the rest of the middle east, inevitably leading to innumerous difficulties and bloody struggles. If a civil war breaks out in Iraq, the instability could easily spill over into these other countries, drawing them all into a chaotic conflict that would ultimately be blamed on the US. This potential destabilization of the entire region is a direct result of the failure of the Iraq war, and in NO WAY serves the interests of the US.

A further distressing development are the recent reports that the Kurds have entered into a separate contract to build an airport in the Kurdish region of Iraq, which is considered a necessary pre-condition to independence.

The US media has paid little attention to this crucial aspect of the looming disaster in Iraq. It is time it did so, as this will affect all of us.

Note these recent comments by Massud Barzani, president of northern Iraq's semi-autonomous Kurdish zone, as reported by Assyrian International News Agency:

Iraqi Kurds Will Proclaim Independence in Case of Civil War

ANKARA -- ...

In an interview with Turkish television station NTV on a day of fresh bombings of Shiite mosques in Iraq, Barzani said an outbreak of civil war would force Iraqi Kurds to exercise the "right" to independence.

"May God save us from civil war, but if others start fighting among themselves and there is an outbreak, we will have no other alternative," he said.

He said that while independence was a "natural and legitimate right" for Iraqi Kurds, they would "at this stage" implement the country's new constitution in support of a "democratic federal and pluralist" Iraq.

Turkey fears a declaration of independence by Iraq's Kurds would inflame a rebellion by separatists within its own large Kurdish minority.


So, this is even worse than a quagmire in Iraq only. I don't see anyway out. If we stay, we're screwed; if we leave, we're screwed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:42 AM
Response to Original message
1. The Sunnis are also threatening a pull out from the government
Other than the corporate plants, like Chalibi, there is no commonality among the different tribes. They will in no way stand as one. But W's corporate buds got their payoffs big time. That is what his (s)election was all about.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:21 AM
Response to Reply #1
2. The invasion was so DUMB...all of this could so easily have been predicted
Everyone knew ahead of time about the Kurdish desires for independence. How could they not have seen this coming? And if the Kurds really do move toward independence, which it surely sounds like they are planning to do, that will create a conflagration in the area that will make the current problems seem like a great fun time by comparison.

Here is the latest about the Kurdish independence plans:
<snip>
Motorola... and Magalcom Communications and Computers have won contracts with the Kurdish government to the tune of hundreds of thousands of U.S. dollars.

The flagship of the contracts is the construction of an international airport in the northern Kurdish city of Ibril, a stepping stone towards the fulfillment of Kurdish national aspirations for independence." (emphasis mine)<unsnip>
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3177712,00.html

This will be an unmitigated disaster.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:18 AM
Response to Reply #2
3. We did predict. We told them so. Large numbers of us.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wordie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. I stand corrected...here is a Christian Science Monitor article from
before the war.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/2003/0314kurdturk.htm
Kurd-Turk Rivalry Threatens US Plans for Iraq
By Ilene R. Prusher
Christian Science Monitor
March 14, 2003

<snip>
...two of Washington's key allies could wind up fighting each other instead of the forces of Saddam Hussein - not exactly what the US had in mind when it drew up plans for regime change in Iraq. But in the arithmetic of pre-war diplomacy, Turks and Kurds are stuck in a zero-sum game. So far, the US hasn't found a formula to convince the old adversaries that one side's gain doesn't have to be the other's loss. "When the Americans tilt a little this way, toward the Kurds, Turkey is really bothered and gets nervous. When the US tilts toward Turkey and keeps the Kurds out, Kurds get irritated," says Dr. Dogu Ergil, a political sociologist at Ankara University. "Both sides are living in fear of each other."<unsnip>

I mispoke, and stand corrected. They WERE told, they just wouldn't listen.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:48 PM
Response to Original message
5. Wasn't this scenario ...
One of the reasons Turkey balked at joining the Coalition of the Bribed? Fear that a Kurdish state would likely arise from the chaos of a post-Saddam Iraq, and threaten the Turkish government's control (ability to ruthlessly persecute may be a better term for it) of it's ethnic Kurds?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Wed May 01st 2024, 05:11 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC