I have had it with our goddamn representatives

who don't unite in a virtual swat team assault to force this Diebold theft into front page headlines and congressional investigation.

I'm tired of being angry that it's happening. We sit here week after week, month after month watching Diebold fuck the system of fair American vote counting and it's like the Twilight Zone. Diebold just packs their picnic lunch and goes skipping along to the next fraud fest.

Aren't two national presidential elections stolen with vote rigged machines that left us with this walking colostomy bag enough?

I'm going to put the blame right squarely where it belongs; on our goddamn representatives. They have the exposure on all the Sunday talk shows and other credible media. It was the Sunday talk shows that helped sell us into a war. Remember the Judy Miller propaganda and Cheney bullshit? It was good enough exposure for them to start a phony war using it. Why don't they use it to expose these crooks spreading like a cancer and installing their rigged voting machines in one state after another with impunity?

They have a daily forum every single day they're in session in Washington DC. Shut the Senate down every damn day if you have to. They could be bringing it up and bitching about it every chance they get. Do they do it? Fuck no. Even when they have a government accounting office report that verifies that it's happening !!

They could raise deafening awareness and the obvious discrepancies if they relentlessly questioned why nobody does anything about this. The audiences are there, especially on the network Sunday shows. But they don't even mention it. Well if they're not going to do it, who the hell is? It's one of the biggest ten ton elephants standing in the room and they ignore it. Do you know how things get done in America? You bitch about it! That's how.

They have just as much ability to read this forum if they need to, as anyone who has a computer and they know these articles of the thievery are being written. There's something mighty strange or weak kneed about our party mouth pieces on this issue. They not only don't speak with one voice, they don't speak with any voice. I'm tired of these spineless advocates who are going to allow more elections to be extorted because they don't have enough balls to use the microphone when they have it right in front of them.

How many more states do you democratic representatives need to let this fungus take root in before you do something?

Get used to being the minority party because you're paying as much attention to Diebold as Bush is to Bin Laden. And if there is anything more serious in our own country than our right to fraud free and fair elections, tell me what it is. Either use the goddamn political power we invested you with when we sent you to Washington or consign yourself to being wimps and you will insure keeping us right where we are now. Victims of the bought and paid for elections and under the power of the republicans that will continue systematically devastating and unilaterally destroying this once proud country. :argh:

My rage about this goes out in all directions.
And Government should be brought to a halt by our elected
reps until this is resolved.

and kicked

The GOP needs the appearance of an opposition to keep the rest of us from stringing them up by their cojones in a fit of pique. Face it, thirty years ago one man could work a job, buy a house, pay for health care, take a yearly vacation, and send maybe one kid to a state college. AT SEARS!!!!

Try that with two teaching jobs today. Congresscritters get paid through the nose, perks galore, junkets to Aruba and permanent pensions and health care. All they have to do is sit in their protected permanent minority districts and bluster every two years.

Hang em all I say.

I feel like we don't have any representation whatsoever on the Hill. I mean I'm a Democrat...but I don't feel like the vast majority of Democratic Congressmen/women are doing what they should about this. There are a few up there, but not many. We are minorities within minorities for sure. Its sad that this can be said about honest, truth-speaking people.

when they're continually AWOL on virtually all of the REALLY important issues, i.e. . .

- removing the voting and tabulating from private corporations and returning them to the public . . . and auditable voting systems . . .

- reopening the 9/11 investigation

- demanding an articulated plan for removing US troops from Iraq

- investigating the war crimes of the Bush administration (such as the use of torture, holding "suspects" indefinitely without charging them with anything, and using "cruel and unusual" weapons on the Iraqi people (e.g. depleted uranium, cluster bombs, white phosphorous, etc.) . . .

there are more, but these are what come immediately to mind . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5513129&mesg_id=5513129

The rethug SoS, appointed by Ahhnold, is trying to secretly push these goddamn machines through and get them certified -- despite the August test that showed a near-20% failure rate.

Please K&R the thread at the link to help stop this shit from happening in California.

The aforementioned rethug SoS held an unpublicized "public hearing" on the 21st, and only ONE of our state legislators bothered to show up -- State Senator, Debra Bowen. Getting our representatives, on both the state and federal level, interested and active in fighting this election fraud/take-over has been alarmingly difficult if not impossible.

(K&R, BTW)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x403873
thread title (12/3 Election Reform): Dr. Dean, get some guts...

This is so painfully, obviously true. So obvious that we must ask: WHY do the DNC and DLC continue their silence on electronic election fraud? I am ever-more convinced that corruption lies at the base of this situation, and I am talking about Dems.

Meanwhile, the Canadians had their election with counted paper ballots. Democracy lives on somewhere in North America:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x403787
thread title (12/3 Election Reform): Canadians swiftly hand-count their 13 million ballots

In a democracy, when the people lead, the leaders follow.

NGU.

Every time one of us attempts to start a thread about this, DUers (not all, but too many) begin whining that we're being 'too negative' and 'what good is all this nay saying going to do'!

:wtf: Even here on DU few want to face this crisis. I've emailed and called numerous state and federal officials pleading with them to do SOMETHING. I've contributed money to groups trying to investigate and stop this horror. The fact is that our idiot elected officials DO NOT CARE. WTH are we supposed to do in light of this nearly total black out of the issue??????

I'm with the OP. I feel totally fed up and frustrated beyond words. :mad:

WTH are we supposed to do? Whine about trolls who call us naysayers? Decide that "our idiot elected officials DO NOT CARE?" Give up on one of the most important issues we face just because we're frustrated?

I say...

Never Give Up.
(But then that's just me...)

as collective "you". I am really steamed about this issue, as is, apparently, the OP. I think you are also, but there's not a whole lot more any of us can do if our elected officials are going to keep shoving the subject under the rug.

...there wasn't "a whole lot more any of us can do." Instead, they've remained steadfast for FORTY YEARS.

And I sincerely doubt the OP is "steamed" about anything. Notice that he/she/it pushed a hot button, got a bunch of us all riled up, and then disappeared. We need to remember that we only lose when we lose control. If we can keep our wits about us and our eyes on the prize, WE WILL WIN.

NGU.

When the people lead, the leaders follow ? Are you serious? Leaders are supposed to follow?

Do you see congressman after my name? Do I get to go in the congressional cafeteria and have lobster for three dollars a plate? Am I supposed to fix the out of round roulette wheels in Vegas that favor the casino?

No, the people who are supposed to fix it are the goddamn ones who CAN fix it. And moreover are charged with the responsibility for, and the absolute duty to fix it.

You don't find it strange that the single biggest enabler of Diebold is the democrats? A court order in North Carolina finally brings light to the secrecy Diebold has to maintain. So much so, that they are willing to forego putting their machines in the state. And hours later, what does North Carolina elections board do? They waive the goddamn rules and ridicule the court order. Do you hear any Democrats screaming their outrage about it? No!!!!!!!!

There are only certain portals where information can be put out that resonates in a great enough way to enough people that mass emailings, phone calls and letter writing stimulates and forces further investigation. Our representatives have access daily and weekly to that portal and they don't do shit.

Did you see Kerry on Face The Nation? He was great but when given the fastball right over the plate belt high when Scheiffer asked him why did he lose the election and where he could have whipped out the GAO report and said to Schieffer, RIGHT HERE is why I lost the election, did he do it? No !!

There is only one issue greater than ending this sacriligious war and that's exposing the corporate bastards that are going to prevent us from doing anything to stop it. I'm tired of being a democrat apologist. If our representatives don't think it's important enough to count my vote, I'll save my gas next November.

What did I do? I voted for people I thought had spine and backbone, and concern for this country. That's what I did

Interesting, though. You said "democrat apologist." Not "Democratic apologist."

NGU.

THIS POST RULES! NOMINATED! PROPS OUT G!

Exactly what I've been thinking since these bastard elitist neo-KKKon shits stole the 2000 vote right here in FL. Cocksuckers.

http://www.senate.gov

http://www.house.gov

Don't just email your state's Senators and your local House Represenative...EMAIL ALL OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

TELL THEM TO GET ON THE STICK ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lu

QUIT BITCHING JUST AMONG OURSELVES AND START EMAILING THESE POSTS TO OUR REPS AND TO THE PRESS!

C'mon now, five years is time enough for us to pout in the corners and not start sending these emails off like they were snowflackes?

Send them in your Xmas cards, send them to your enemies but send them until they flood America.

This is the 21st century OUTRAGE!

That's one of the things I wonder about. If you really believed that Diebold was skewing the numbers, why would you run as a Democrat? I'm not saying there's no vote rigging going on here. I just think it's schizophrenic of our political candidates to "ignore" the problem.

was UNCONSTITUTIONAL ! Congress can't abdicate its discretion in war powers.

"As he (Bush) determines" Sec. 3 (a) of
Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/10/2002100...

and under Sec. 3 (c) the War Powers Act of 1973

www.cs.indiana.edu/statecraft/warpow.html

was violated since the 'situations' and 'circumstances' the act requires are to be truthful, not fictional situations and circumstances (ya think ?):

"SEC. 2. (a)
It is the purpose of this joint resolution to fulfill the intent of the framers of the Constitution of the United States and insure that the collective judgement of both the Congress and the President will apply to the introduction of United States Armed Forces into hostilities, or into situations where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicate by the circumstances, and to the continued use of such forces in hostilities or in such situations."

Q.E.D. it it proven. Now, what's Congress going to do about this ? Oh, I see, we need a Democratically controlled Congress in order to do the job. So be it, come next year in the House

scroll down to 'Composition' at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives

which shows Dems needing 16 seats to 'break even', at least, in the House. In the Senate, Dems need at least 6 more seats to break even, scroll down to 'Composition' at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate#Current_composition

This is what is needed. We cannot rely on the R's to police themselves as we have seen, they have no minimal ethical standards to speak of whatsoever as is being displayed daily in the media, albeit far too 'after the fact' in the complicit media world with the current administration calling all shots FCC and SEC wise.

Thanks for the post, JusticIsComing, wish I'd said it earlier.

which is closest to what you would like to see happen?

I wasn't aware that Congress had proposed doing anything about it. Do you have a link to the proposed legislation you're referring to?

:thumbsup:

And that's the truth, Truth. :hi:

NGU.

And keep demanding until they do.

www.january6th.org

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Not the Democratic Party?

NGU.

I guess I've lost enough battles over the years that whenever a new one comes up I try to suppress what I would like to do and focus instead on what will solve the problem. In other words, I guess I'm becoming more pragmatic. So, we have a problem: Diebold. We have suggested solutions: write your Congressman, donate money to organizations raising this issue, and maybe one or two more. Unfortunately, I live in a part of the country where writing my Congressman would be a total waste of time. He is a DINO. And both of my senators are Republicans. On the other hand, it might be effective if a bunch of us wrote to Keith Olberman or some of the folks at NPR or PBS or Frank Rich. If we could get one of them to pick up on this issue, we might stand a better chance. Also, we might get a more sympathetic ear if we stress the point made by Justice is Comin that this is more than a question of two past elections; it is a question of a fundamental constitutional issue. If we stress 2000 and 2004, some people will just dismiss us as sore losers, but if we stress the fundamental constitutional issue, which affects all Americans (and which could potentially be used against Republicans just as easily as against Democrats), we might get a fairer hearing. I would like to see us channel our anger into effective strategies. Any more suggestions out there?

to expose this academy award winning theft. I referred to it as similar to the Twilight Zone because it is. What the hell are they waiting for?

Isn't it enough that an independent GAO report details how it's being done on a point by point discovery? That's the government office whose job it is to find fraud, graft and corruption and alert us to it. They've done that!!!!

Isn't it enough that Bush's poll ratings are scraping 35%? Isn't it enough that there are more scandals of deceit throughout the republican party currently underway that you need a secretary to keep track of them?

What the hell are they waiting for? It would be like a batter who stands in the box with the bases loaded in the world series, bottom of the ninth, score tied and he picks his nose while three straight strikes cross the plate belt high.

It would be like a driver in the Indy 500 who plays with the radio when the announcer says "gentlemen start your engines."

What the fuck is wrong with them? The republicans and Diebold are laughing at us. WE can't do anything. We don't get to go on Meet The Press, Fox News Sunday, Face the Nation, This Week with Stefanopolous. They do!! People are watching them and listening. The attention is focused on what they say. Did you hear any of them talking about the farce in North Carolina today?

Kerry is asked a question today giving him a triple platinum opportunity to whip out the GAO report and say "this is why I lost the election. Do you think that wouldn't have been the headline in every paper tomorrow? They need to check their backs for yellow streaks because they're there. It's time somebody told them so. :argh:

Hmmmmm? Why, I wonder...

NGU.

You don't see them much because the CorpoMedia give all their "face time" to those celebrity Dems who are friendly to Corporate Interests.

Go here to find the Democrats who care about OUR Democracy.
http://pdamerica.org/press/pressrelease.php?id=16

The CBC, Henry Waxman, Bernie Sanders (I,VT.) and a handful of others are "UP" on this issue. Support these people and stop sending your money to the Democrats who are invested in "Protecting the Status Quo".

There's no way they can't know what's going on, they can't be that fuckin stupid. How many people have called them or wrote to them about this issue and still but a small handful are looking into it. So either the others are simply too ignorant to see the writing on the wall or they see and these dickheads don't want to get involved. Of course the third alternative is that they not only know about it but benefit from it in some unknown way. I don't believe that but as time goes on, that thought is coming more and more.

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the guy who was at 32 percent in the exit polls wins the election by 51 (or 61) per cent of the "vote"

Only then will this issue be corrected, let alone taken seriously. So long as the populace think that this is an evenly divided country, the representatives will recieve pressure from the few of us that know better. Aint that simply aint enough people to make the issue front and center. Yes, they are that stupid.

Until then, continue to set flowers at the grave marked "democracy" and pray for the resurrection of it.

corporate welfare; oh, and of course, the GOP Culture of Corruption.

with a verifiable paper trail are even issues in the U.S.A. "land of the free and home of the brave" especially at the dawn of the 21st century. How truly free and brave are you, if you are proactive in putting up roadblocks to fair verifiable elections because you are afraid of the results?