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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:12 AM
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Facts about the words Xmas and Holiday
Xmas – pronounced exactly the same as Christmas.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/80/X0008000.html

"But people unaware of the Greek origin of this X often mistakenly interpret Xmas as an informal shortening pronounced (eksms). "

X has stood for Christ since about first century CE / e.v. - or AD, if you prefer.

From askOxford:

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&field-12668446=Xmas&branch=13842570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname

If you have an Oxford dictionary at home, look it up. It goes into more details about the word, it's origins, how long it's been around and the FACT that the X does mean Christ.

So saying "Merry Xmas" in NO way removes Christ from anything.



From the words of an Evangelical - Dr Raymond Cox:

Fact sheet on Cox
http://www.geocities.com/ruinum/factsht.htm

What he said about Xmas:

http://www.geocities.com/ruinum/vsxmas.htm

“Xmas is not of modern coinage. The Oxford English Dictionary documents the use of this abbreviation back to 1551. Undoubtedly it was employed before that. Now 1551 is fifty years before the first English colonists came to America and sixty years earlier than the completion of the King James Version of the Bible! Moreover, at the same time, Xian and Xianity were in frequent use as abbreviations of Christian and Christianity.

You see, the X in Xmas did not originate as our English alphabet's X but as the symbol X in the Greek alphabet, called Chi, with a hard ch. The Greek Chi or X is the first letter in the Greek word Christos. Eric G. Gration claims that as early as the first century the X was used as Christ's initial. Certainly through church history we can trace this usage. In many manuscripts of the New Testament, X abbreviates Christos (Xristos). In ancient Christian art X and XR (Chi Ro--the first two letters in Greek of Christos abbreviate his name. We find that this practice entered the Old English language as early as AD 100. Moreover, Wycliff and other devout believers used X as an abbreviation for Christ. Were they trying to take Christ away and substitute an unknown quantity? The idea is preposterous.”


Now, for the word "holiday" - based on the English words, "holy" and "day" - the word "holiday" was used to mark special days on the church (but not just the church) calendar ...so "Happy Holidays" means Happy HOLY days.

Holiday \Hol"i*day\, n.
1. A consecrated day; religious anniversary; a day set apart
in honor of some person, or in commemoration of some
event. See Holyday.

http://dict.die.net/holiday/

Just because the word expanded to include other meanings and usages does not change the words origin: holy + day.(holiday-vacation, holiday-any national or legal "holiday" recognized by a country)


Christmas doesn't happen to be the ONLY holy day during this time of the year - so wishing all religious people a Happy Holy Day is just the decent/polite thing to do.

But then decent and polite isn't exactly a Falwell-like trait, is it?
Falwell is either ignorant of his own religion or he is nothing but a lying ,loud-mouth blowhard who just wants to stir up shit.

I suspect it's both.











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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:33 AM
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1. You just made O'Reilly's list
:D

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:39 AM
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2. Yay! Let's tell him Solly is really short for solstice
and really get him frothing.

:)




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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:41 AM
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3. I think I just heard his head explode.
:)

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:43 AM
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4. "Mission Accomplished"
;)
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NMMNG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:53 AM
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5. Well said!
:applause:

Typically Fundies know very little about the topic they are frothing over. They just love creating furors to keep themselves in the limelight so real issues, such as poverty, millions without healthcare, homelessness, children going hungry, and the like, can be conveniently ignored.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:57 AM
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6. I agree. They want to keep people in a frenzy over nothing
- because it's easier to appeal to a persons prejudices and ignorance...and it keeps people busy while nothing is done about real problems.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:43 AM
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7. We have an heirloom "Holiday Day" card signed Merry Xmas c. 1905
It was to one of my hubby's relatives when they were a baby.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:54 AM
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11. It's amazing the things people will turn into a crisis, isn't it?
People have been saying Merry Xmas for years - it's just the assholes of the world needing to kvetch about something - anything - to keep themselves happy.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:18 AM
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8. OK,,, That's it,,,,, from now on when someone says
these things to me,,,, I am just going to say "Peace".

:)
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TexasProgresive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:32 AM
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9. KarenS, Why do you hate America?
Peace be with you.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:51 AM
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10. I usually say "and to you too" to whatever they say
they can like it or not. I really don't care
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:56 AM
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12. And of course the full word "christmas" is a contraction of "Christ's Mass
Something I occasionally mention to fundies...some of them have to think about it for a minute.

:eyes:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:58 AM
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13. Exactly
If people knew these things, then other people like Falwell and O'Lala couldn't get them all worked up over nothing. Falwell and O'Lala play on people's ignorance - and sadly,it works.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:57 AM
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14. Kick.
:kick:
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:34 PM
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15. I believe the bible used "X" or the Greek letter Chi
to represent Christ.
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:19 PM
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16. Don't forget the that origins of Xmas are essentially pagan
Yule is the pagan festival of the winter solstice, as Easter is the pagan festival of the vernal equinox (and is based on the phases of the moon!)
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:24 PM
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17. Yes, the Roman ritual of Saturnalia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia

"Saturnalia (from the god Saturn) was the name the Romans gave to their holiday marking the Winter Solstice. Over the years, it expanded to a whole week, the 17 December to 23 December.

It was traditional for Romans to exchange gifts during this holiday. These gifts were customarily made of silver, although nearly anything could be given as a gift for the occasion. Several epigrams by the poet Martial survive, seemingly crafted as riddling gift-tags for gifts of food.

It has been postulated that Christians in the fourth century assigned December 25th as Christ's birthday (and thus Christmas) because pagans already observed this day as a holiday. This would sidestep the problem of eliminating an already popular holiday while Christianizing the population."

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lakemonster11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:31 PM
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21. Does anyone know of a good book about the
origins of Christmas (Saturnalia, Yule, etc.)? I would prefer something scholarly to a coffee-table type book.

I love ancient history and Christmas, so I find all of this stuff fascinating!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:26 PM
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18. Ayup
You'll be joining me on O'Lalas list now :)
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Autonomy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:35 PM
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19. Hmm... what would happen if I were to demonstrate
that the entire Judeo-Christian pantheon has been lifted from Egyptian and Sumero-Babylonian pantheism, polytheism, and henotheism? I guess Billy would be o'really, really mad at me. ;(
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:40 PM
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20. You'd go to the top of the list
since facts like that are hidden in scholarly books, folks like O'Lala and Falwell wouldn't have a clue.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 06:48 PM
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22. Kick.





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