Press the Meat: McCain: "our troops are serving a noble cause".

I would like to know what that is. This has nothing to do with our freedom.

On edit... lame is to passive of a word...how about deadly rhetoric?

himself for a run for president and is willing to say anything that sounds sincere. Just another mean Republican who speaks with a forked tongue.

Oh, I see. You don't know.

(hundreds of billions) for the multi-national oil companies?

was to quote whats-his-face (was it Vessey?) on torture: that it could never produce as much good and protection as harm to the US.

McCain is deep into the running of his presidential campaign.
It'll serve as proof of his weakness. his deference to Bush and Rumsfeld showed him to be spineless.
His weasling when confronted with his comments on Kerry and Murtha showed lack of conviction.
McCain has aligned himself to Bush. He is chained to a sinking ship.

nothing noble or productive about this MISSION.

Pathetic. The more I see of McCain, the more my contempt deepens. He's beginning to give me the serious creeps. It's as if he's lost his voice, his identity.

My opinion of McCain is that deep down he's really wishy-washy and that if he became president he will only make the mess that Shrub created worse.

The open ended arguments being hurled by the monkey squad continue to boggle the active mind. I'm so sick of hearing this "We're going to do whatever we have to, for as long as it takes..." bullshit. Every speech, every statement, every sound bite is riddled with this kind of empty rhetoric. No specifics, no plan, no accountability. When are we going to find a real journalist willing to pin these MO*#$&%!@KERS DOWN?!?

a"War worth Fighting" Stay the Course, Pit Sniffer.

The 'cause' is control of the Senate, the House of Representatives, and the White House for a generation. The courts, too, if you can get them.

Because if you control the government, you control when and where and how the money goes. And with the money goes the power. And the power follows the money.

The Iraq war is not actually a foreign war. The war in Iraq is only incidentally in Iraq.

We are watching in in fact an American Second Civil War, fought by proxy.

Or the world's most expensive campaign commercial, take your pick.

The decision to fight it at all, instead of making Afghanistan work, was motivated by domestic political concerns. It was not forced by events.

The decision when to fight it was motivated by domestic political concerns, else it would have happened, if it happened at all, in the Fall of 2003.

The decision how to fight it was motivated by domestic political concerns, else there'd be a draft.

The Iraq war was ginned up out of whole cloth, in defiance of best military thinking and practice, in order to neuter or destroy for a generation any organized, domestic political resistance to a nascent, domestic, American kleptocracy.

I have a darker view. I fear all the corpses in Iraq -- American, Iraqi, coalition -- have been created, deliberately, specifically, to beat us, here in America, over the head with, as tools of political and social control, playing on base motives of fear, revenge, racism, greed, what have you.

Clausewitz was only sort-of-right. Der Krieg ist nicht anders als die Forsetzung der Partei-politik mit andern Mitteln.

Machiavelli 101: Create wars abroad to control opposition at home.

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and contemplating how COMPLETELY we have killed the American Experiment
in the last 10 years has sucked all the hope out of me.

I am an American. I am proud to be so--but these leaders have made America into a Stalinist nightmare, just mild enough so that people tolerate it instead of revolt.

Time to move back into the mountain tipi and close the flap.

Totally political and so IMHO was Abu Ghraib!

He doesn't work for the Administration, at least, not officially. Is this the beltway whores kissing his ass before he runs for President in 2008?

So that GOPers could win/take control of all three branches of our government, is anything but, a noble cause. Why would anyone expect a pack of crooks and liars like the GOP leadership and the crony corps to know ANYTHING about a "NOBLE CAUSE"??????? McCain's noble cause is selling out his country to Bush and the neocon war machine! FU?K Mucous McCain and the ENRON/Halliburton/Carlyle corporate Jet he rode in on!

Hugging W Bush everywhere McCain crosses Bush's path, after the hack job KKKarl and Bushco did on McCain in the 2000 campaign, demonstrates without a doubt, how totally spineless McCain REALLY is! The man is a lying, gutless, toady and a COWARD!

Have you got that JEAN? ***** A GOP C-O-W-A-R-D *****