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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:22 PM
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DEBATE: Race plays a role in death penalty implementation. BAN the DP!
Race is an important factor in determining who is sentenced to die. In 1990 a report from the General Accounting Office concluded that "in 82 percent of the studies , race of the victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty, i.e. those who murdered whites were more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks."

Death Penalty Focus
http://www.deathpenalty.org/


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Discuss!

for additional information, please see:

12/4 ** URGENT**FOUR DAYS to APPEAL to GOVERNOR SCHWARZENEGGER!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5514678

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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:00 PM
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1. okay, so, to me it certainly is inarguable. that being so, how can we
allow even one single more execution?!

there are numerous executions coming up, soon.

please act to stop them all!!!

there are many organizations that will provide ways to help.

here is one to start with:
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index/ENGAMR510652002?open&of=ENG-2AM


please work to end the death penalty!!


thank you!


peace!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:34 PM
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4. Additional links to STOP the DP...
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:04 PM
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6. great! thank you for that list, and the links, SB! eom
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:56 PM
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2. ... Countdown to a Legal Lynching
California Prepares to Execute Tookie Williams - Countdown to a Legal Lynching
October 12, 2005
By Phil Gasper

(excerpt)

Williams appeal reached the Supreme Court in May, where it has been sitting ever since. A decision was originally expected last week, but the court delayed, reportedly to allow its new Chief Justice an opportunity to weigh in on the case. Now it has spoken in no uncertain terms.

Welcome to the racist Roberts’ court.

<snip>

To get the charges to stick, the prosecutor in the case, Robert Martin, used blatant racism. The trial was moved from Los Angeles to Torrance, a predominantly white, highly conservative area. All the African-Americans in the jury pool were dismissed and Stan’s case was heard by an all-white jury.

In his closing argument, Martin compared Stan in the courtroom to a Bengal tiger in the zoo, and said that “in his environment” (i.e. South Central LA) he would behave like the tiger in its “habitat.”

Despite the fact that Martin was later censured twice by the California Supreme Court for his racist practices, which led to death sentences in two of the cases he prosecuted being overturned, and despite the fact that the ACLU, the NAACP, the Mexican American Legal Defense & Educational Fund and numerous other groups, filed an amicus brief on Stan’s behalf, the Ninth Circuit has twice rejected the claim that his constitutional rights were violated. Now the Supreme Court has upheld these decisions.

PLEASE read all of this important article @ http://traprockpeace.org/phil_gasper_blog/index.php/2005/11/01/california-prepares-to-execute-tookie-williams-countdown-to-a-legal-lynching


Phil Gasper is Professor of Philosophy at Notre Dame de Namur University in California and a member of the Campaign to End the Death Penalty. He can be reached at pgasper@ndnu.edu


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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:12 PM
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7. that piece is so powerful, and it makes me so sick! i can hardly breathe
when i read that.

thank you for posting it, Sapphire Blue

aaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!

gasp


peace

solidarity


determination
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:44 PM
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26. Yes, sickening... "Welcome to the racist Roberts’ court."
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:29 PM
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3. Racism in Stan Tookie Williams' case & in the 'justice' (just us?) system
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 02:35 PM by Sapphire Blue
On October 11th, the U.S. Supreme Court rejected the appeal of Stanley "Tookie" Williams,' co-founder of the Crips gang who is on death row in California, to investigate the discrimination at the heart of his case, as well as his innocence. One issue highlighted was the fact that the prosecutor in his original case removed all Black jurors from the jury, leaving an all-white jury to deliberate the case. During Tookie's trial, this prosecutor also made racially-coded remarks during his closing argument, comparing Tookie in South Central Los Angeles to a Bengal tiger in its natural habitat. The California State Supreme Court had twice censured this prosecutor for equally discriminatory behavior.

The Supreme Court's refusal to investigate racism in this case establishes as precedent for the nation the right for prosecutors to exclude jurors on the basis of race and to denigrate minority defendants in front of all-white juries. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals posited in 2002 that Tookie's prison writings, in which he renounces his former life as a gangster, could be grounds for the California governor to grant him clemency. If he is not granted clemency, he will be executed on December 13th of this year.

http://blackbox-radio.blogspot.com/2005_10_16_blackbox-radio_archive.html
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:21 PM
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8. i can not comprehend how any thinking person can believe that it is
just fine to continue executing, when it has been so thoroughly proven to be implemented on a race basis!

they all shout that "playing the race card" thing like that should dismiss the charges, when it is the state (they support!) PLAYING THE RACE CARD!! over and over again!

breathe...


peace and solidarity!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:30 PM
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10. "..the state (they support!) PLAYING THE RACE CARD!! over and over again!"
So true. Yet so many will defend the state, the prosecutor, the 'justice' system w/o question, will refuse to acknowledge the blatent racism that exists in the state, the blatent racism that is practiced by the prosecution, the blatent racism that exists in the 'justice' system.

Why? Why will they not acknowledge it? Why do they look the other way, while the injustice continues?
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:43 PM
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13. it's odd, too, that many will say they oppose DP, know it's racist, then
turn around and say they will not fight it being done to Stan!

huh??

thank you, SB!


peace and solidarity!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:22 PM
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23. The Perils of Indifference, by Elie Wiesel ...
http://easylink.playstream.com/historyplace/thp-wiesel.rm

This recording is well worth taking the time to listen to... and even more, well worth applying to one's life.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:39 PM
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5. "in 82 percent of the studies , race of the victim was found to...
... influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving the death penalty..."

How can anyone see that and not be outraged at the blatant racism of the system? How can anyone try to defend this blatantly racist system?
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:27 PM
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9. yes! how can ANYONE?! especially any supposed "progressive dem"!!
i don't see any of them here defending their stand, either.


peace and solidarity!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:14 PM
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21. ESPECIALLY any supposed "progressive dem"!!
Incredibly hateful things being said recently... I wonder why they aren't here now, defending their stand.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:31 PM
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24. yes, they'd have to acknowledge that their position IS racist, to argue
FOR the death penalty.

so, just hide away.

hit and run stubbornly on the other thread.

arrgh!


peace and solidarity!
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:43 PM
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11. The O.J. Simpson Verdict, 10 Years Later: The Impact and The Aftermath
The O.J. Simpson Verdict, 10 Years Later: The Impact and The Aftermath

(excerpt)

“This trial really revealed the extent to which black Americans and white Americans saw things through different lenses,” David Sklansky, a professor at the University of California at Berkeley’s School of Law, told BlackAmericaWeb.com. “There was just an astonished lack of comprehension by many white Americans, and there were things that seemed plausible to black Americans that didn’t seem plausible to whites -- like how blacks were much quicker, in general, to believe that police could have planted evidence.”

The person many believed to have planted evidence was Los Angeles homicide detective Mark Fuhrman, who discovered a bloody glove near the murder scene. While on the witness stand, Fuhrman also denied ever having used a racial slur, although it was eventually discovered that he spewed the N-word in a taped interview 10 years prior to Simpson’s trial.

“That was an important lesson from the trial,” said Sklansky, who was a criminal law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles at the time of the trial. “It was a lesson that, despite all of the progress that has been made, we still live in a universe in which black and white lives can be very different. The fact was that police officers that didn’t utter racial epithets in court might very well use them outside of the courtroom.”

http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/ojverdict103
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:12 PM
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12. The Fight to Save Stan Tookie Williams
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 05:16 PM by Sapphire Blue
The Fight to Save Stan Tookie Williams

(excerpt)

But it's this very spirit that the forces of death and reaction in California want to extinguish. This rabid sector of the population represents the last vestige of support for Schwarzenegger, whose poll numbers are Cheney-esque. Just as the politics of racism haunt every aspect of Williams's case, they also threaten to define Schwarzenegger's final decision.

And this is exactly the kind of fight Jim Brown craves. "If you think because I'm famous or tough or outspoken that I am not affected by racism, then you don't understand. I am affected by it any time I see a black person who is not receiving an even shake," Brown wrote in his book, Out of Bounds. "I don't have to go hungry to feel for the man with an empty belly.... I will fight for my right to be free. I will die for that right. People say, 'Yes the white man has his foot up your ass. Be patient. He must adjust to not having his foot up your ass. Give him another two hundred years. Let him ease it out.' I say no. Take it out. Now."

This approach has earned Brown his share of enemies. "In the eyes of the police I am more than just famous. I'm big, black and arrogant," Brown wrote. "There are cops in Los Angeles who would love to be the guy who sent me to San Quentin for 49,000 years."

But Brown isn't in San Quentin. He is on the outside, ready to rumble for the sake of justice, redemption and the children who will be hurt because Williams was not there to propose an alternative to gang life. As Jim Brown told conservative talk show host John Ziegler on KFI radio in Los Angeles last week, "When someone like Tookie says, 'This is not the way to do it. I made a mistake in my life,' yes, literally, lives are saved."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20051129/cm_thenation/20051212zirin
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:15 PM
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14. where are those who pushed so hard for Stan's execution, the last few
days?

not so simple a question when it's put in these terms? i sure hope not.

and if you all agree with this subject line, why would you fight for ANYONE'S execution?

i just don't get it.


peace!
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:33 PM
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15. Speak out before it's too late! n/t
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:48 PM
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18. YES!! YES EYSYES!!! thank you, Paradise!! eom
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:37 PM
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16. Last night I decided to listen
to the archive of Rachel Maddow's show from last Friday. She talked about this briefly and told that more Americans are now against the death penalty than they were in the 60's. She said she thought it was because of all the war that we've seen as a country. I think that could play a factor but people just learning about it and how there are alternatives. What amazes me is people who are so quick to say they are "pro-life" are the one's who support the death penalty. Go figure! Not all mind you but just in my experiences I've had that happen.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 07:30 PM
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17. thank you, FreedomAngel82! it is good to hear that people are thinking
more about this!

i agree about so many so-called pro-life people on this!

it makes no sense!


peace and solidarity!
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 08:25 PM
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19. NOW!!! STOP WRONGFUL EXECUTION of WESLEY BAKER!! URGENT!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=106x25329

CAN HAPPEN AS SOON AS TOMORROW (monday)!!! EMAIL GOVERNOR EHRLICH NOW!! TONIGHT!! http://www.gov.state.md.us/mail /


Wesley Baker, black, is scheduled to be executed in Maryland during the week beginning 5 December 2005, for the 1991 murder of a white woman, Jane Frances Tyson.

Doubts have been raised about whether Wesley Baker was the actual gunman.

In denying Baker’s appeal in July 2000, the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals admitted that ''the evidence that Baker shot Tyson was not overwhelming''. The United Nations Safeguards Guaranteeing Protection of the Rights of Those Facing the Death Penalty state that ''capital punishment may only be imposed when the guilt of the person charged is based upon clear and convincing evidence leaving no room for an alternative explanation of the facts.''

PLEASE EMAIL GOVERNOR EHRLICH IMMEDIATELY:

http://www.gov.state.md.us/mail /

Despite being aware that it would aid in his defense, Mr Baker would not allow the traumatizing circumstances of his life to be applied to his defense, because he would not allow his mother to be subjected to the humiliation.

more info on this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


PLEASE EMAIL NOW!!!



peace
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 09:31 PM
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20. "Disturbing Findings Have Been All but Ignored, Opponents Say"
Execution Still On Despite Racial Analysis
Md. Study's Disturbing Findings Have Been All but Ignored, Opponents Say

By Eric Rich
Sunday, December 4, 2005

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20 ...

-snip-

Although a death warrant signed by Ehrlich orders that Baker be executed this week, prison officials are prevented by law from disclosing the exact date and time in advance.

-snip-

The study, commissioned by Gov. Parris N. Glendening (D) in 2000, found that prosecutors were far more likely to seek the death penalty for black suspects charged with killing white victims, as Baker was. It also found that slayings in Baltimore County were far more likely to result in death sentences than were slayings in other jurisdictions.

-snip-

The governor's legal counsel, Jervis S. Finney, said Friday that the petition is under consideration. "Governor Ehrlich has been analyzing various aspects of this case -- including Paternoster and lethal injection -- over many months, and that is anticipated to continue through the weekend."

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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:18 PM
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22. i do not understand. i assume people have no argument for the death
penalty, which is good news. but then, why are more not supporting putting a stop to those executions coming up now? especially those with any doubt of guilt.

hard to figure.


peace
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:18 PM
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25. The death penalty is racist; The crime of being poor and Black
The death penalty is racist.

The 1972 Furman V. Georgia case abolished the death penalty for four years on the grounds that capital punishment was rife with racial disparities. Over twenty five years later, those disparities are as glaring as ever.

    African Americans are 12% of the U.S. population, but are 43% of prisoners on death row. Although Blacks constitute 50% of all murder victims, 83% of the victims in death penalty cases are white.

    Since 1976 only ten executions involved a white defendant who had killed a Black victim.

    In all, only 37 of the over 18,000 executions in this country's history involved a white person being punished for killing a Black person.

    A comprehensive Georgia study found that killers of whites are 4.3 times more likely to receive a death sentence than killers of Blacks.

    More than 75% of those on federal death row are non-white. Of the 156 federal death penalty prosecutions approved by the Attorney General since 1988, 74% of the defendants were non-white.


The crime of being poor and Black

Girvies Davis spent 16 years on death row. He was sentenced to death in 1978, accused of being an accomplice in a robbery in which someone else shot and killed the victim. There was no physical evidence linking him to the crime. He was convicted purely on the basis of a signed "confession" -- a confession in which he also confessed to 9 other murders known to have been committed by others. He was illiterate at the time he supposedly penned the confession. Girvies said that police took him out for a ride and threatened to shoot him "while trying to escape" if he didn't sign the confession. The police admitted that they took him for a drive, claiming it was to search for evidence! Despite this information, Illinois gov. Jim Edgar refused to commute Girvies Davis sentence or allow a retrial, and he was executed on May 17, 1995. He died because he was poor and Black.

http://nodeathpenalty.org/fiveRs1.html
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:47 PM
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27. could it be any more plain? clear? intolerable! eom
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:57 PM
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28. interesting they're showing up everywhere BUT here. hmmm. eom
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:29 AM
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29. Yes, nothing to 'ignore' here yet.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:31 AM
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31. I spoke a minute too soon.
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:39 AM
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32. :)
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:40 AM
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33. You ignore facts in every thread.
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:40 AM by hiaasenrocks
I'll continue to provide you with facts to ignore in your PR stunt.

You two are the most vocal supporters of the murderers, yet you refuse to engage in a debate based on facts. That speaks volumes.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:30 AM
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30. DP stats
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:55 AM by hiaasenrocks
U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics report:

The "Crime Trends" section states: Since the death penalty was reinstated by the Supreme Court in 1976, white inmates have made up the majority of those under sentence of death. (Prisoners under sentence of death by race, Capital punishment, 1953-97)

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/gbjsw.txt
__________________________________________________
EDIT/UPDATE:

EDIT:

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cp.htm

In 2004, 59 persons in 12 States were executed -- 23 in Texas; 7 in Ohio; 6 in Oklahoma; 5 in Virginia; 4 each in North Carolina and South Carolina, 2 each in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, and Nevada; and 1 each in Arkansas and Maryland.

Of persons executed in 2004:
-- 36 were white
-- 19 were black
-- 3 were Hispanic (all white)
-- 1 Asian

Of persons under sentence of death in 2004:
-- 1,851 were white
-- 1,390 were black
-- 28 were American Indian
-- 32 were Asian
-- 14 were of unknown race.



------------------------------

I'll address some of the points in the link you provided. They have a study that they call "new" which only goes up to 1999. Interesting.

One of their assertions is: 80% of executions in California were for those convicted of killing whites, while only 27.6% of murder victims are white.

Why no mention of the race of the assailants? Surely some are white, some are black, some are Asain, etc.

They claim: The death rate by homicide in California varies substantially by race. African-Americans are six times more likely to be murdered than whites.

Again, what is race of the assailants? Any mention of the crime rate of the various races? Why no mention of the race of the people who murder enough blacks to make them "six times more likely" to be murdered than whites?

They say: A person convicted of 1st degree murder in a predominantly white, rural county (like Napa, King, Colusa, or Shasta counties) is more than three times as likely to be sentenced to death than a person convicted of a similar crime in a diverse, urban county like Los Angeles, which has the highest number of homicides in the state.

That's a statement about juries, not murder victims or the assailants. Why aren't "urban counties" likely to send murderers to death row? What is the average racial composition of an "urban county" jury, and what is the race of the accused appearing before that jury?

Great study. Seems very complete to me.....
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:42 AM
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34. is there a patient math person around to do: What is wrong with this
conclusion?

thank you.
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:43 AM
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35. Once again...
you run from your claims.

Please provide evidence (stats/numbers/etc) to back up the idea that the DP is "inherently racist." Thank you.
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Sapphire Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:57 AM
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36. Challenging the racist death penalty... The death penalty’s real purpose
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:59 AM by Sapphire Blue
Challenging the racist death penalty
By Eugene Puryear

(excerpt)

The death penalty’s real purpose

Those who compare the death penalty to legalized lynching are doing more than making a dramatic analogy. Lynching—including the torture, killing and mutilation of Black people—was common especially in the post-Reconstruction South following the Civil War and right up through the mass civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s as a method of terrorizing the population and quelling any agitation for equal rights.

A clear presentation of the issue of racism and the death penalty was seen in a February 2002 American Sociological Review article, “The Political Sociology of the Death Penalty.” That article presents data showing the same states that historically had the most lynchings are also the states where the most people are executed. David Jacobs, co-author of the study, said in a 2002 press statement, “Our results suggest that the death penalty has become a sort of legal replacement for the lynchings in the past. … The results show a clear connection.” The study also shows that in these same states an increase in death sentences corresponded directly to an increase in the Black population.

Some point out that death sentences for whites also increased. Jacobs addressed this argument: “If there was clear discrimination against Blacks in death penalty sentencing, then the Supreme Court might again rule that the death penalty is unconstitutional, so there may be an effort to not discriminate when imposing the death penalty. While the connection between lynchings and death sentences is strongest when only Black death sentences are considered, the connection between lynchings in the past and contemporary death sentences is present for both Blacks and whites.” In summation, Jacobs concludes, “the main point is that our findings do not support the claims that the death penalty is administered in a color-blind fashion.”

African Americans are portrayed by the ruling class as a race of criminals, and the racist legal system leads to Blacks being incarcerated at alarming rates. African Americans’ fear of the legal process is due in no small part to the racist application of the death penalty. The intolerance and ruthlessness of the state has a chilling effect.

http://socialismandliberation.org/mag/index.php?aid=516
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 01:15 AM
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37. that is an excellent, and a devastating article, Sapphire Blue. thank you
for posting it!


peace and solidarity!
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nofurylike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:09 AM
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38. *** SUBTHREAD DEBATE *** Race plays a role in death penalty implementation
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