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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:29 PM
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She did not “act traumatized”
A 17-year-old girl went to police at the urging of her friends after she was allegedly gang-raped by three men, including her boyfriend. The men testified that the act was consensual. After reviewing all the information and statements, prosecutors decided they didn’t think they could prove a rape allegation, and so declined to prosecute the case.

Instead, they prosecuted the victim for filing a false police report. Yesterday, she was found guilty.

http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/12/dont-just-blame-victim-prosecute-her.html
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:30 PM
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1. How sad
:( *sniff* I just read this on Crooksandliars.com
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:32 PM
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2. I see we're going back to the 'rape is the victim's fault' mindset.
How nice. x(
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 12:51 PM
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3. Even if the prosecutors decided they couldn't prove a rape case,
why the phuck did they try her for filing a false claim? I read parts of this on crooks and liars--too distressing.
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catmother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:13 PM
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4. OMG. n/t
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:18 PM
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5. fuck them...
fuck them all-

i've come to call it "automatic pilot"- the body takes over- for the sake of survival.
sometimes we can't let ourselves feel, or we'd go totally insane or kill ourselves or others- how blind, callous, and shallow can you get??

May the people who condemned this girl never know how it feels to have to go through the motions rather than 'live' in your body- some of us have spent our lives trying to learn how to feel again, without drowning ourselves in the overwhelming horror of what our bodies endured while our minds closed down.

I'm sure she wanted to 'file charges' for the 'fun' of it- it's such a 'rush' to have your hell made public, and your most intimate wounds aired for all the world to see. Yeah RIGHT!- NOT.

things like this, just make me want to implode.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:21 PM
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12. Plus she is SEVENTEEN ferchrissakes!!!!
I guess she was supposed to handle something like that in some supposedly rational and correct manner that I, a woman in my late 30s, would be incapable of demonstrating under the same circumstances. Damnit I hate this world sometimes :banghead: :nuke:
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chat_noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:19 PM
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6. Anti-rape condom aims to stop sexual assaults
KLEINMOND, South Africa - A South African inventor unveiled a new anti-rape female condom on Wednesday that hooks onto an attacker’s penis and aims to cut one of the highest rates of sexual assault in the world.

“Nothing has ever been done to help a woman so that she does not get raped and I thought it was high time,” Sonette Ehlers, 57, said of the "rapex," a device worn like a tampon that has sparked controversy in a country used to daily reports of violent crime.

Ehlers said the “rapex” hooks onto the rapist’s skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.

“He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage,” Ehlers told reporters in Kleinmond, a small village about 60 miles east of Cape Town. “I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital.”

The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9145415/

hmmmmmmmmmm......
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:54 PM
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7. Sounds like a great device. They should mass produce them here.
Edited on Sun Dec-04-05 01:54 PM by beyurslf
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:02 PM
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9. You'd get charged with "assault with a deadly weapon", varied rants
or some such. Or the guy would be so angry he'd hurt you more. (When I was a young teenager and hitchhiking around, I'd put in a tampon, figuring that no one would be able to rape me because there was already something filling the space. Boy was I naive.)

If she'd acted traumatized, perhaps she'd been written off as hysterical. Sounds like there were big holes in both cases. Our legal system does not determine truth, but who can present the best case, or pay their way to the result they want.

"Here are some things we hear a lot: Vindictive women use rape charges to get back at men. Women’s sexual histories can be informative in a rape case. Women who were “really raped” are easily identified by the way they behave.

None of them are true." http://shakespearessister.blogspot.com/2005/12/dont-just-blame-victim-prosecute-her.html
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 01:57 PM
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8. Well, it's the word of 3 men against 1 woman. Of course she's guilty.
:sarcasm:

I worked as a court reporter in many rape cases, and all I can say is the woman rarely sees justice. No wonder only one-tenth of rapes are reported, if even that many.

:puke:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:16 PM
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10. the repig American dream in action.
Girl from a depressed background attempts justice from the legal system and learns she has no rights only jeopardy.

What's her future like? A legacy degree from Yale?
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:16 PM
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11. That's just horrible
And if she is ever raped again, she won't report it. If she did, this case would probably be used against her. Most women who report a rape are labled as a liar: by the rapist and often by people who know the rapist which may include mutual friends. To be labled a liar by the justice system and being required to pay the rapists would really be traumatic. People wonder why victims don't report rape. This is why and the rapes continue.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:37 PM
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14. Sadly, she most likely WILL be raped again.
There are probably sick fucks in this girl's life (I don't get the sense that she's in a healthy environment) who will use this to coerce her into sex because they know she'll never be able to report it and be believed.

I wish I could adopt her. Seriously.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:37 PM
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13. Not Enough Facts Yet. I have seen women do it with my own eyes, so I can't
say one way or the other if this is a horrible verdict or not. I know some of you will try and say how dare I feel that way, but false rape accusations absolutely do happen. In this not only was there not enough evidence to prosecute the 3, but seemed there was enough to find her guilty of the false report. Now again, I don't have enough facts of the case in front of me. Actually none of us do, so I would find it hard to believe that any of us could draw a logically sound and accurate conclusion one way or the other based on the lack of facts we have right now.

All I know is I have seen women file false rape reports on 2 different occasions for no other reason than revenge, so I know these things do happen. If, however, through the course of appeals it shows it was likely the 3 men did do that to her, than I hope the scumbags go down hard. I won't however just automatically respond with "oh that's so horrible how dare they" without having yet the proper evidence to draw such a conclusion.

Please understand I am 100% against rape and for the prosecution of it. I just fail to see on how so little facts we can automatically say this case is horrible and unfair without also taking into consideration that maybe the court was right.
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Randypiper Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 02:55 PM
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15. The appeal would be the charge against her
Prosecutors decided they didn’t think they could prove a rape allegation, and so declined to prosecute. It seems to me there should have been a trial to decide if the the rape did happen.
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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 03:23 PM
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16. that's right- the only 'evidence' against her
was the state's decision NOT to prosecute, based on some pretty screwed up rules-
HER prior history was admissible- THIERS was not- (including the fact that her BF was incarcerated for molesting his own daughter, and was one of the assailiants).

How she 'appeared' has ABSOLUTLY NO BEARING on whether or not she endured a rape- and any judge worth shit, should know this- Some very interesting questions about this incident- it is NOT on the 'net' and the only refrence to it in the media, leaves the names of the victim AND the accused out- rather odd wouldn't you say?

Prosecuters put victims through hell and back, to see if they can stand up under the scruteny that a trial entails- I don't understand why they brought this before the court if they weren't committed to seeing justice done- and I hope her 'friends' who convinced her to come forward, care enough to be there for her after yet another betrayal.

To the poster who said he believed in false allegations.... perhaps they DO happen, in cases of 'revenge' or anger or whatever- but i'd bet my life on the fact that they are RARE, that the victim doesn't have to be urged to 'press charges'.
As a man, you likely can't begin to understand the experience...at least i hope you can't. Why we look the other way at what goes on in mens prisons- and my god, even JOKE about being someone's 'bitch' in jail, speaks so loudly about how little this society actually cares about the soul, and spirit of our fellow human beings- Rape is not something that ends when the act is over, .... and it isn't something that fades with the bruses and pain.... nor is it a wound that ever EVER heals-
You can't restore a persons trust- you can't return a persons belief that this world is not a very very bad place.... and that even those you love and trust are capable of hurting you in ways you never dreamed they would....and feeling like you are nothing more than something to be used and thrown away .....
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