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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:51 PM
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New Hugo Chavez scaldal: Bastardogate
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/news/world/13327502.htm

QUITO, Ecuador - A Venezuelan diplomat in Quito arranged to send members of a fledgling Ecuadorean rebel group for guerrilla training in Venezuela, two Ecuadorean military reports say.

The reports, obtained by The Miami Herald, added that the diplomat, political attache Gustavo Bastardo, advised the newborn Alfarist Liberation Army, known by its Spanish acronym as ELA, that the Cuban Embassy in Quito also could help.

Venezuela's embassy here and its Foreign Ministry in Caracas did not reply to Herald requests for comment.

But leftist President Hugo Chavez has denied prior allegations that his supporters provided guerrilla training in Venezuela for Ecuadorean and other Latin American radicals.

"Not one of those accusations has been proven ... because they are absolutely false," Chavez declared in a speech last month, blaming the allegations on U.S. "disinformation."

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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:55 PM
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1. Even if so, so what? Don't we train foreign radicals in the US?
Think Contras.
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 06:05 PM
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8. And if the US does it, it's OK.
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cantstandbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:20 PM
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9. Isn't a nation free to train whomever they want? Whose in charge of the
world? How can one country say who another country can have as allies? WTF?
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Kipling Donating Member (929 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 01:08 PM
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10. They can legally do what they want. But I still think it is morally wrong.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:58 PM
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2. Considering our purveyors of disinformation haven't told the
truth in decades, I'm inclined to believe Chavez.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 04:58 PM
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3. "blaming the allegations on U.S. "disinformation."
now why would he say that?:sarcasm:
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:03 PM
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4. A classic pot and kettle story...
...except that Bush supports fascism in other countries and Chavez supports populism.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:06 PM
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5. Miami Herald? Well, they don't have anything against Chavez...
Must be true!

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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:07 PM
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6. It's all there.
The School of Americas (SOA) was dubbed the "School of Assassins" after a United Nations Truth Commission implicated 19 SOA graduates out of 26 Salvadoran officers cited for the 1989 "execution style" massacre of six Jesuit priests, their housekeeper, and her daughter in San Salvador. The U.N. Commission went on to document that three quarters of the Salvadoran officers responsible for seven other massacres during El Salvador's bloody civil war were trained by the Fort Benning school.

http://www.soaw.org/new/print_article.php?id=226

In its 50 years, the SOA has trained more than 59,000 Latin American soldiers in combat skills, counter-insurgency techniques, commando tactics, and psychological operations. SOA graduates include some of the region's most despicable military strongmen and human rights abusers. Roberto D'Aubuisson, head of the Death Squad in El Salvador, attended the U.S. Army SOA. Guatemalan Col. Julio Robert Alpirez, a CIA operative, trained at the SOA most recently in 1990. Shortly after he returned to Guatemala, Alpirez ordered the murder of U.S. citizen Michael DeVine, who was living in Guatemala, and the 1992 torture of Efrain Bamaca, Guatemalan husband of U.S. lawyer Jennifer Harbury. The DeVine and Bamaca murders and the abduction, rape, and torture of U.S. nun Sr. Dianna Ortiz, helped prompt the IOB investigation.
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 05:19 PM
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7. Now why does this sound familiar? Hmmmm...
Oh, yeah! Now I remember:

With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary, Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request.55 As described below, the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections.

<snip>

Two CIA memoranda of information from a foreign government report that the chief of Iraq's intelligence service and a military expert in bomb making met with Bin Ladin at his farm outside Khartoum on July 30, 1996. The source claimed that Bin Ladin asked for and received assistance from the bomb-making expert, who remained there giving training until September 1996, which is when the information was passed to the United States....The information is puzzling, since Bin Ladin left Sudan for Afghanistan in May 1996, and there is no evidence he ventured back there (or anywhere else) for a visit. In examining the source material, the reports note that the information was received "third hand," passed from the foreign government service that "does not meet directly with the ultimate source of the information, but obtains the information from him through two unidentified intermediaries, one of whom merely delivers the information to the Service." The same source claims that the bomb-making expert had been seen in the area of Bin Ladin's Sudan farm in December 1995.

Found in Wiki

Interesting. It would seem all of those Bush enemies follow the same playbook, even though they've never communicated. Just like those torturers in Guantanamo seem to instinctively follow the Abu Graib playbook.


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