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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:23 AM
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All candidates have to be approved by the USA to run in the Iraq elections
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 08:56 AM by NNN0LHI
NBC News Correspondent Tom Aspell just reported all Iraq candidates up for election have to be approved by the USA just to get on the ballot. He says he doesn't see how this method of voting can create a democracy. He is the first reporter I have heard actually admit this. Wonder why the NYT, WaPo, or Chris Matthews never mention this fact? Any ideas?

Don
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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:27 AM
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1. Heard him say exactly that on Imus
Good for Aspell.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:58 AM
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2. I won't vouch for exact but it is pretty darn close to what he said n/t
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pretzel4gore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 08:59 AM
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3. it's a big con
everybody's paid to pretend it's serious, like the 'war on drugs'....
they seized power illegally in the 2k election, everything else is bush shit....iow they're criminals and all their actions are illegal unless we want to pretend otherwise
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:03 AM
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4. Isn't that the way democracy works?
Who do they think they are going to fool? I'm sure the people in Iraq are all aware of this.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:03 AM
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5. 'Puke idea of democracy
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:23 AM
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6. did he supply proof? n/t
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 09:57 AM
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7. He is in Baghdad and reporting what he is seeing with his own eyes
Why you don't believe him?

Don
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enigma000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:02 AM
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8. I'm just curious
The candidate registration deadline must have been weeks ago, why has this story not made Iraqi or international news?

Someone would have complained before now. And how many, if any, candidates were rejected?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:12 PM
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10. He discussed the vetting process a bit
He said the US would add and remove candidates all the time from the approved list of candidates.

As for why has this story not made Iraqi or international news? It just did.

Don
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:11 PM
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11. Here is some more information
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/20005/

The Bush Definition of Democracy

By Rahul Mahajan, AlterNet. Posted September 28, 2004.


<snip>The U.S. record in Iraq is not much different. The administration has touted the local elections held under the aegis of the U.S. occupation as evidence of its democratic intentions. But the rhetoric far outstrips the reality. In many instances, the "election" consisted of the appointment of the mayor and/or city council members by the local U.S. commander, sometimes to disastrous effect. For example, the U.S. appointed a Sunni from Baghdad to be mayor of the mostly Shi'a Najaf, cancelled an election he would surely have lost, but later had to remove him from office because of charges of corruption and Ba'athist links.

In Basra, British and U.S. forces appointed local officials to power only to get rid of them later, deciding instead to allow Iraqis to only fill technocratic positions rather than award them political power. In Kirkuk, only 300 delegates, all hand picked and vetted by U.S. forces, were allowed to vote in the "election."

In late June, 2003, U.S. commanders ordered a halt to all local elections. The problem: people and groups opposed to the occupation were expected to win in many of the races. A few days later, Paul Bremer approved resumption of elections, but allowed U.S. commanders to choose between appointing local officials, electing them by specially vetted caucuses, or holding a real election. Not coincidentally, the new policy allows U.S. authorities to choose the form of "election" based on the likelihood of getting the result they want.

Of course, irrespective of method of selection, the U.S. commanders can always countermand any city council decision and dissolve a council if they so chose.

At the national level, the situation in Iraq has been similarly manipulated. To begin with, elections have been postponed repeatedly, even though it would be easier to create voter rolls in Iraq than it was in Afghanistan (For example, the ubiquitous ration cards could have been used as a basis for voter identification and registration). If now a definite date has been set for January, 2005, its only because other countries on the Security Council made it a condition for approving Resolution 1546, on the so-called "transfer of sovereignty."

Meanwhile, however, numerous other aspects of the political process have been either eliminated or undermined. In the immediate aftermath of the U.S. invasion, Paul Bremer canceled an assembly of members of the Iraqi opposition – mostly U.S.-designated, exile groups – planned for June 2003. His reason: the "opposition" was not representative of the country. A month later, Bremer would handpick 25 people, 16 of whom were exiles, to form the Iraqi Governing Council.

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:59 AM
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9. Another oddity - Non-Iraqi Arabs are now banned from entering Iraq
The Iraqi government has barred non-Iraqi Arabs from entering the country by land, sea or air in advance of the December 15 elections in the hope of thwarting renewed attacks by Sunni Arab insurgents who appear to rely on cross-border support, writes Neil MacDonald.

Bayan Jabr, interior minister in the Shia-led government, decided to impose the measure to prevent violence or disruption at the polls, officials said.

The sweeping measure took effect on Wednesday without any prior warning, with several Arab passport holders reportedly being refused entry at Baghdad International Airport and sent back to Amman, Jordan.

Airlines operating flights to Iraq, such as Royal Jordanian, barred others from boarding Baghdad-bound flights starting the next day.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/e50e45f4-63a1-11da-be11-0000779e2340.html


But somehow I think Americans are allowed in. Charming, eh?

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