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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:50 AM
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Why are they hunting black bears in NJ?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:52 AM
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1. Because a bunch of trigger-happy loonies
scream like banshees if they aren't allowed to.

Most New Jerseyans are opposed.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:52 AM
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2. because there are too many of them
and the black bear hunting lobby has graciously volunteered to kill them.

The funny thing is that NJ has the highest ratio of paving-to-acreage of any state in the union . . .
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:11 PM
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7. I've never been to NJ
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:12 PM by Gman
although I've been to NYC. For the most part, my perception of NJ is one big paved parking lot with streets and houses and buildings interspersed. So its hard for me to imagine hunting bear in NJ.

But then, I'm from Texas. When I attended the Democratic Convention in NYC in 1992, I came upon some kid in a newsstand who had been watching the news of flooding and rivers overflowing their banks in Texas (Houston area). The kid, who had obviously never been anywhere except lower Manhatten asked me about the flooding, "What happened? Did the sewers overflow?" He couldn't imagine. That's me and New Jersey!
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:31 PM
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15. Parts of Northwest and South Central NJ are Still Wilderness
and it's entirely possible there are too many black bears for the land to support naturally.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:35 PM
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17. As NJ is the most densely populated state in the country, and
New Jersey is now home to between 1,600 and 3,200 bears, that's becoming a reality.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:39 PM
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19. The Northwest part of the state is still quite the rural/semi-rural thing.
as are certain parts of the south and west of the state.

There's the Northeast corridor, basically the commuter towns that feed NYC, a big chunk of central NJ that feeds both NYC and Philly with workers, and of course, the Turnpike, Garden State Parkway and all its associated shopping malls and suburban developments that make folks think that NJ is one big Parking Lot.

It is the most densely populated state in the US, but we still have a fair amount of farmland and woodland that many of us out here are fighting hard to protect.

See the NJ Skylands: http://www.njskylands.com/
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MrMonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:56 AM
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3. Because they insist on living where developers want to build.
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bahrbearian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:05 PM
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5. We need more "Human Preserves" we are endangered after all.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:58 AM
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4. Why not?
:shrug:
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:16 PM
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8. well for starters there are a lot more people than bears
if you want to hunt plentiful game, look for people with W stickers on their cars.

They're much worse for public safety than some old bear out in the woods. They want to use up all the fossil fuels on the planet, keep the poor poor, deny equal rights to gay americans, invade other countries for little more than the glory of it, and keep a complete idiot in power as president.

They want to stop paying taxes altogether since THEY don't require welfare or food stamps or social security and don't see why anyone should, and they're mostly rude and small minded.

I say we need open season on conservatives. There are too many of them, AND they are after your children too.

:evilgrin:
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ucmike Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:06 PM
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6. because our garbage cans aren't safe with these
terrorists...i mean bears around.

actually, its because the bears refuse to eat the roadkill that litters the state.

i don't get it. i've hiked some of the most remote parts of the state and have never seen one, yet some people claim they are like a plague. i've actually heard people say its because the bears are a threat to children.

please god, spare me from the children.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:16 PM
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9. I don't know about New Jersey
but in Wisconsin, the department of Natural Resources is closely allied with, (like in bed with), the hunting constituents. Hunting licenses bring in bucks.

Down with hunters. boooo :mad:

http://www.all-creatures.org/cash/home.html
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:17 PM
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10. Hunters are an ally
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:29 PM by montana500
60 million Americans hunt and fish. Good luck winning elections by not trying to work with them.
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:21 PM
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11. Agreed. n/t
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:22 PM
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12. They're not my ally. n/t
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:30 PM
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13. Why?
nm
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:39 PM
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18. If you live in WI, you should know that hunting is important
in population control, especially for deer.

Due to changes in habitat, deer numbers are at exponentially record highs. Deer overpopulation is a problem for agriculture, a problem for motorists, a threat to ecosystems, and also a threat to the deer population itself. Without hunters harvesting 500,000 deer per year we'd be drowning in deer.
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mcscajun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:31 PM
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14. I'm against the hunt, but there have been incidents across the state
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 12:33 PM by mcscajun
which fuel the fears of those who end up supporting the hunt.


In the last New Jersey bear hunt, held in 2003, 328 bears were killed.

Before that, it had been 35 years since hunters were allowed to shoot bear. In 1970, hunts were suspended because the black bear population had fallen to about 100.

The species has since rebounded, becoming a victim of its own success: New Jersey is now home to between 1,600 and 3,200 bears, and complaints and sightings are up sharply this year, as the animals are turning up all over the state -- sometimes in places they've never been seen before, far from the "bear country" of the northwestern quarter of the state, which includes Morris County.

In Egg Harbor City, near Atlantic City, a 150-pound bruin rummaged through garbage cans, ate from backyard bird feeders and jumped a fence a block from an elementary school during a weeklong stay last June, fueling fears among residents.

A month later, a 142-pound female bear attacked a sleeping camper at High Point State Park, biting the unidentified person's leg. The camper suffered minor injuries; the bear was captured, tranquilized and shot by a state biologist.

http://www.dailyrecord.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051205/NEWS01/512050303/1005


New Jersey is the most densely populated state in the US, and getting more so all the time. Habitat for deer, bear and other wildlife is dwindling in the face of relentless development of townhomes and McMansions on former farmland and woodland.

Bear sightings are becoming fairly common, most people don't know how (or just don't bother) to properly secure their garbage against animal intrusion, and let their pets and children roam their backyards unattended. It's not surprising that black bear "incidents" are becoming more common. One such incident took place after the last hunt: Ten days after the end of New Jersey's bear hunt, police officers killed a black bear that tried to build its den under the deck of a house in Morris County. The animal killed the family dog.

Yet, rather than adjust to the wildlife among us, many have approved the hunt. In 2003, many abuses took place, included one reported incident of a bear shot in a den, which is not permitted under the hunt regulations.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 01:08 PM
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23. Yes, I suppose bears and deers will always lose to the gods of
"development."

Eventually the hunters will run out of game to hunt, or will have to travel the the mountain states to find one.

Just sad.
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tgnyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:33 PM
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16. Racism?
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Yollam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:49 PM
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22. LMFAO n/t
nt
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brmdp3123 Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:44 PM
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20. Because that's where the bears are!
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montana500 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 12:49 PM
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21. The true importance.....
If you want to do something to help nature, make sure you take action and help stop the Pombo public land garage sale. These are lands that everyone enjoys, from wildlife watchers, to hikers, fishermen and hunters.
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