Anderson Cooper - Story on Katrina families returning finding dead bodies

WOW!! Who else saw that.

The story is people are returning home and asking if the homes have been checked. Then they go and open the door and find all their friends dead.

Bush through FEMA is responsible for more American deaths on our soil than Osama!!!!

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I didn't see that, how very sad. :cry:

FEMA is the most incompetent agency that ever existed. I know, I have to deal with them constantly. But at least I have a trailer and I didn't come home to find dead people.

I hate this administration. :argh:

n/t

is that these hurricane disasters may be one of the final straws in bringing down this disgusting administration.

The government has released a great deal of email from the interchanges between departments (local, state and Federal) and it shows a complete lack of communication and/or understanding of what was happening.

I hate them too. With every fiber.

offered FEMA the use of her property after the storm. They began with a few trailers and now house over 400 trailers to be delivered to needy citizens. She has had power bills each month between $8,000 & $9,000. FEMA/Bechtel has not paid her a dime in the 3 months that they have been using her property. (Before the storm, she had a flea market business on the property and rented booths to folks.)

When her attorney contacted FEMA and the GAO asking for a contract and payment for use of the property, they were told the gov't may not pay but may begin condemnation proceedings to take the land.

The fuckers are just that, fuckers. Liars and evil, greedy thieves.

I want my nation back. :cry:

With each passing day, and each new story like this, I lose hope in humanity!

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Gods I fucking hate this shit...If I believed in hell, there would be a special place there for these sociopaths.

The imcompetence and apathy and the greed. I hate these bastards. :cry:

Punish someone for trying to help by taking her property... :mad:

They are evil incarnate.

:grr:

They are indeed evil greedy fuckers. You hit the nail there, merh.

some areas of the coast have up to 27% more arsenic than is the level allowed by the EPA.

The oyster industry is ruined and will be for years.

It will take us years to rebuild and recover.

:-(

((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs))))))))))))))))))))))))))

:loveya: :hug: :loveya:

just throwing that in there, i know it doesn't really compare with the ruination of the gulf-coast, but it's just another thing that has gone to ruins under the tenure of our glorious leader.

citrus canker spread as a result of these hurricanes, and has likely permanently destroyed florida's citrus industry.

That is terrible. The industry is permanently ruined?

. . . but it took a significant hit. I used to go to Polk Co. every winter when my parents had a winter trailer there.


http://www.tampatrib.com/MGB0Y7TYMGE.html

but a close friend of mine works in the industry and he says it's over, the growers are going into the real-estate business. the canker spread like wildfire in previously untouched areas, carried by the hurricanes. a new citrus disease called "the greening" was already causing serious problems, but the canker is out of control now.

interestingly,it's believed that canker in florida was caused by a single orange tree in some guy's yard in Miami-Dade, he took various agencies (who wanted to destroy the tree) to court in protection of this tree - and the court upheld his argument. years later, the court determined that the agencies were right and the tree was destroyed, but by then it was too late.

For godsakes, there has to be a point where enough people in this country will stand up and demand this Administration be dissolved.

monthly power bills? :wtf: Unfreakingbelievable! She helping out and they want to take her land? :banghead:

for the use of her 47 acres - business property that can't be used for the business that existed prior to Katrina.

They are criminals

"Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

Tragic how far off track we are since those days. Offer help to your country & they condemn your property in an effort to confiscate it. I am so ashamed of what the US has become.

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Remember when they carried that guy out in that incredible picture where he looked like a pieta in the arms of the Rescue guy? (I don't have a link, but if anyone knows the picture I am referring to , please link to it.) This guy was one of the last living people rescued from Katrina that I am aware of. The story that went along with his rescue was very telling. The ONLY reason he was rescued was because someone was able to look into a window and see his foot jutting off of a couch. He (the victim) was comatose on the couch and unable to respond to the knocks and shoutings of the rescuers who had been told NOT to kick in locked doors and inspect premises. In fact, the guys who rescued this man said they had violated the protocols they had been given.

Think about this. They were only able to rescue people days and days AFTER the event only if the people were able to respond to shouts and knocks. So, if you were unconscious in the attic after days of heat and water deprivation - too bad. If you were upstairs and unconscious, too bad.

The only reason I have heard (somewhere) for this bizarre rescue policy, is that the rescuers did not want to be "liable" if they kicked in previously secured properties in order to look for survivors and open up the properties for looting. To this I say, thieves and looters are not deterred by locks anyway, so this is a moot and stupid argument to make when lives might be in the balance.

In other words, this is another case where property rights are held above basic human rights and humanity. I am sure there are many many bodies of people who died while waiting for the rescue that never came. Only, fortunately (for many in power) now the real cause of death may never be determined.

How many are still officially "missing" from Katrina?

But of course they try to paint a rosy picture of that number by saying a lot them just left never to return or were relocated. :mad:

the dead number to 9/11 number.

I still say no one can kill more Americans than a Bush Adminstration...

:grr:

We need to have a discussion about how "government" is supposed to be a SERVANT of "the people": protecting the people's life and liberty and opportunity to participate and maximize their potential.

These fuckers simply exploit, advantage themselves of their positions, rather than SERVING THEIR PEOPLE AND NATION!!!

I'll refrain from hating them while passionately advocating that they reap what they sow and SERVE society for their violation thereto.

of those past Pug Prez....even better than Nixon and Reagan...even though those 2 really gave it their all.

Yessiree....Bush kills Americans like no other. Bush doesn't like Americans.

Bush likes rich saudis.

I remember from the early days when the mayor thought it would be about 10,000 ( people who lived in low lying areas that didn't have access to private transport, etc). I combine that with the very horrible emergency response of our federal government, stories like the one in this very thread, people who are still considered missing by their friends and blood relatives (who you think they would have contacted by now), the lack of overriding imperative to save human lives as evidenced in this very thread, and so on and so on.

I personally also do believe there is a racist component to all of this. If levees had breeched and flooded a comparable number of houses in a white suburban area of any metropolis, I absolutely think the response would have been different. Black lives are held more cheaply than white lives. If the crowd outside of the Superdome had been largely white - they would have all been airlifted or bussed out to a Holiday Inn Express within 48 hours - no one will ever make me believe differently.

that's the rule of the land in Amurika.
corporate profits rule over health care and affordable housing

Mr. Hollingsworth was 74 years old, an Army veteran, with two grandchildren. He was finally rescued from his home 16 days after the hurricane hit New Orleans. He died two days later.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-10-hollingsworth-katrina_x.htm?csp=N016

building the levees.....

they don't want to spend the money.

When another disaster strikes another great american city, i hope that people don't respond the way they are responding to New Orleans.

So sad, this young man went to N.O. looking for his grandmother.He found her dead and stuck to the floor. He was so despondent because this woman had raised him and this was how he would remember her final days. :-(

of all of this..... if these guys aren't impeached, there is NOTHING THEY CAN DO to get impeached. NOTHING.

Now I hear the first order of business for Congress is to make more tax cuts. BS!!! We, the people, have to demand that the Katrina mess be the first order of business in Congress before any more tax cuts for the rich.

Enough is enough!!!:grr::grr::grr:

They only care about those they can use to further their policy.

Too much.

But how do "we the people" make our demands heard?

We have seen one horror, one scandal, one lie, one outrage after another...and it just goes on.

With a republiscam Congress how are we heard, how do we change a thing?

and Senators. However, our letters have to be angry and horrified and we need to get everyone we can on board. They do pay attention to a flood of angry letters. It has to be very angry and a flood of letters though.

pickedup and removed so they went there and found here stuck to the floor. One of them couldn't stop talking and the other was just sitting on a step with her hands on her face. Really really sad.

order those people to get this right.

That is no way for a HUMAN TO DIE AND LAY TO REST!!!

that out of my mind. God. I hope all these Repuke bastards fry.

I remember hearing the whole time I was growing up about the
the Nazis, and NEVER again, how did we get to this point?

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,...shit,....

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Americans abandoned,...by their own government!

:grr:

Just reading about it is like getting the wind knocked out.... so very horrible. :cry:

I agree with those who said we need to send letters to all our Senators and Congressmen, but we can't just say "Did you see Anderson Cooper 360 show Monday night?"

Is this story available anywhere else? will there be a link to his show somewhere? I think it's important to be able to back up your aomplaint with proof and details.

not sure when, but they will.

we send to our Reps or Sens.

We might also send something to Keith O, Jon S. and even a few letters to CNN to put that story on their daily news stories.

apparently these bodies were found today, so there should be current news reports to link right now, too.
i can't find a thing yet. sweet old couple. how sad.

'We begin tonight in New Orleans with a story that shocked us, just when we thought we were immune to it. The state of the Louisiana stopped house-to-house searches more than a month ago. You would think that meant all the homes had been searched, all the bodies found. Well, we know that is not true -- and disturbing proof of it again tonight.

A woman returning home, searching for her friends, she had been assured their home was searched. She had been assured they were not there. She checked for herself today, and guess what? She found her friends, abandoned, forgotten, decaying.

" Even when my kids would come here to New Orleans to see about their property, they will ride by and they said, mama, they have a zero on the house. I say, you all go check on Ms. Toni (ph). They said, ma, they have a zero on the house. That means no one is in the house.

And that's what kept saying. I said, well, maybe she's someplace else. That's -- but it just stayed on my mind. Check the house. Check the house."'

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0512/05/acd.01.html

Anderson is my #2 guy. (Keith's #1 :loveya: )

This is a horrible story, I'm glad he's keeping it in the headlines.

sweet old couple. their neighbor had called many times. cops said they check up and no one was there.
how fucked up is that?

I'm sick of my conservative ahole friends blaming Blanco and Naygin for EVERYTHING that went wrong.

Still :grr:

No one came to save them. I gather most of the people that are still missing, they will be found in the many homes unchecked. :(

a lot of people don't have the means to come back. or they're scared to.
good god, he's just reporting now that theyare just going to start the dna testing now.

the bodies, they can get away with it. Many more bodies were buried in the mud or carried out to sea during the flooding, or are under wreckage that will never be searched.

how/ why are people going to go back unless they are incredibly corageous?
no one wants to be the one to find the body, not even Fema, it seems.
i think the stalling is to make it impossible to "find" cause of death later, if they ever do find the bodies.

All he does is create fear.

Hate. Pain. Death.

He is just like Hitler.

up against those evil dems for daring to take it away...

This is so horrific,:cry:

Cooper noticed. Anyone with eyes would have seen the reports. So I do wonder why he is speaking about it now and hope it serves a good purpose.

Oh, yes, and I believe the official number of deaths from the hurricanes has been deliberately, grossly underestimated.

going to look for a link.
:hi:

find dead family members still in the house, but not this specific case that you're reporting. I think I bookmarked a couple of links on this. And then there was the way they just left dead bodies lying around in the open to rot FOR WEEKS, much longer than happened after the Asian tsunami. I have some links on that too. Let me know if you want any of these links and I'll give them later today when I have a bit of time to retrieve my bookmarks.

and this woman says she called the cops manys a time, she had been back a while and hesitated to go in, she ID'd them yet the names and cause of death will take months.
my guess is, since they wre old, maybe lacking care or meds or food, they won't call em flood deaths at all. most probablt won't will they? cause of death should be recorded as FEMA.
are they collecting links in the new katrina forum? i'm a little scared to go there, i'm so angry and hurt already.

bookmarks saved over the course of the catastrophe, and they include stories of bodies left and people discovering family members weeks after the storm in "searched" areas. For example, here's a heartbreaker from Oct 16 about a man finding his grandmother's body:
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/US/10/12/katrina.nola
There are more stories like this. The recent news about bodies being found is not new, it has been an ongoing tragedy. I can't begin to imagine the trauma these grieving people endure.

Like you, I am reluctant to delve into this any more right now - I am already angry and horrified and anxious, and I need no addtional reminding of the aftermath of the hurricanes as I am following it at news sites.

I am one of the many here who believe that the true death toll is being actively suppressed.

not deciding on a cause of death- c'mon now. They know damned well it's death by Fema.
I'm adding you're bookmark to my thread if you don't mind. then i'm sending the whole kaboodle to KO as soon as I can.
Add your own here if you want:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1969409&mesg_id=1969409

returning families (this thread, Reply # 66).

returning after "search" has supposedly been done:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x5133225
thread title (Oct 22): NEW ORLEANS--More bodies are found daily, weeks after search called off

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1908176
thread title (Nov 7): We'll return for your sister's body, the rescuers said.

You see, this is not a new phenomenon. It's been happening steadily whenever people finally return to the homes. I have lots of other threads about bodies left weeks out in the open in the streets of New Orleans and threads about the discrepancy between the official death count and the thousands of missing and numbers such as the body bags ordered and the numbers morticians were told to expect.

when it needs a kick.
three more dead found and only two papers reporting it.

searched for bodies. For example:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4967951
thread title (Oct 4): CNN's Jean Meserve pointing out section of NO not searched for bodies

i'm going to bookmark this too
but i'm adding them to my thread till it stops being ignored in LBN.

was based on listening to a CNN report, but the date and reporter's name were given.

Don't miss the article I cite downthread: FEMA outsourced the body counting to a very shady company operated by a Bush buddy. (Reply # 74)

rooms since Sunday. Their own living rooms, and these fuckers are not saying yet who they are or why they died. Bullshit. At least they are putting the blame where it belongs:

"......Police said while the New Orleans Police Department assisted in the search for the dead or for those who survived the storm, it was not their primary duty. The responsibility for kicking down doors and smashing through windows looking for signs of life or death was with military forces, such as the National Guard and a federal contractor."


http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/metro/index.ssf?/base/news-12/1133852248209270.xml

counted them during the aftermath. They have been under the rug swept so that immediate stats didn't sound as bad.

the hurricane went through and are victims of FEMA's mishandling. By allowing the bodies to coninue to lie there until they are "skeletonized," proof of this can be buried. But there are examples of people saved at the very last minute- always by NON-federal people, like foreigners or unauthorized citizens or National Guard troops acting AGAINST federal orders not to search houses. For example:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/9/14/12516/3649
Sept 14: AMERICAN SHAME: The Edgar Hollingsworth Story
Mr. Hollingsworth later died of complications of starvation and dehydration despite being saved by California National Guard acting against orders. I have more links to the rest of the story if anyone wants them. IT was also presented and discussed in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4769370

Those California National Guards were told by FEMA NOT to break into homes to save people - they disobeyed the orders because they saw Mr. Hollingsworth's hand through the window. How many OTHER people were lying unconscious in those homes?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4752099&mesg_id=4752099
In this story by Will Pitt, a man who searches for his girlfriend in the flooded areas of New Orleans also saves a crying baby who was with people who had recently died.

The Vancouver Search and Rescue unit went into a non-New Orleans area of Louisiana and found that the people were still stranded in their homes without food or water. They saved many but one lady still died from the effects of dehydration:
http://www.city.vancouver.bc.ca/usar/index.htm
This was reported in a news story and cited in this DU thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1763297

If those wonderful Canadians had been just a day or two later, how many more would have died? NO ONE had come to help those people. How many OTHER communities were similarly abandoned? Once the bodies are left to decay for weeks, the time of death - and thus the culpability of FEMA - cannot be established.

body dumping elsewhere and operated by a Bush family crony:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x1778107
thread title (Sept 13): FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping!



Note the clarification on this article if you intend to cite it:
Clarification: After FEMA began working with Kenyon, they were subsequently contracted by Louisiana Governor Blanco. It was Louisiana that signed a formal contract.

I was also struck by this quote in the article:
Upon learning of Kenyon’s contract, Buckner {a mortician} expressed puzzlement. He told the Shelbyville Times-Gazette, "Volunteers would have gone at no charge."

by simply standing aside quiety with their hands in their pockets doing nothing.

This may be :tinfoilhat: but the more I learn the more I can't help but think it

There is no topic for Katrina. It's a great place to compile all this information.

of links and specific questions. I can't organize this now, but I will respond if it is set up by someone else.