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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:38 PM
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< GLOBAL WARNING >
Edited on Mon Dec-05-05 11:39 PM by Stephanie




http://www.newyorker.com/talk/content/articles/051212ta_talk_kolbert

COMMENT
GLOBAL WARNING
Issue of 2005-12-12
Posted 2005-12-05

<excerpt>

When the Bush Administration’s policy on climate change was first articulated by the President, in early 2002, critics described it as a “total charade,” a characterization that, if anything, has come to seem too generous. Stripped down to its essentials, the Administration’s position is that global warming is a problem that either will solve itself or won’t. The White House has consistently opposed taxes or regulations or mandatory caps to reduce, or even just stabilize, greenhouse-gas emissions, advocating instead a purely voluntary approach, under which companies and individuals can choose to cut their CO2 production—that is, if they feel like it. (At the G-8 summit this summer, the President embarrassed British Prime Minister Tony Blair by refusing to accede even to minor modifications in this position.) In Montreal, the Administration’s chief climate negotiator, Harlan Watson, has been touting the efficacy of the voluntary approach, pointing out that between 2000 and 2003 the United States’ carbon-dioxide emissions dropped by .8 per cent. Conveniently left out is the fact that since 2003 they have shot back up again. According to the latest government figures, the country’s CO2 emissions are now three per cent higher than they were three years ago. (The brief dip, it should be noted, had nothing to do with government policy; it was entirely a function of the downturn in the economy.)

Much of the Montreal talks will be taken up with the nitty-gritty of implementing Kyoto—how, for example, to structure the “clean development mechanism,” under which industrialized countries can receive credit for financing emissions-reducing projects in developing ones. Such details are clearly important if the protocol is to have an impact. But Kyoto is, and has always been understood as, a first step, and a baby step at that. As President Bush likes to point out, the protocol imposes no restrictions on countries like China and India, whose emissions are growing rapidly. (China is expected to overtake the United States as the world’s largest carbon emitter sometime around 2025.) Kyoto, moreover, is a temporary measure; it lapses in 2012, at which point it will need to be replaced by something much more ambitious. The protocol took almost three years to negotiate and seven years to ratify; at that rate, work on its successor should have begun back in 2002. Many countries are pressing for post-Kyoto talks to commence immediately. In characteristic fashion, the Bush Administration is refusing to participate. “The United States seeks to focus attention on progress . . . rather than to detour positive approaches toward a new round of negotiations” is how Watson put it shortly after arriving in Montreal last week.

America’s failure to ratify Kyoto is widely viewed as a scandal. The Administration’s effort to block a post-Kyoto agreement has received less attention, but is every bit as dangerous. Without the participation of the United States, no meaningful agreement can be drafted for the post-2012 period, and the world will have missed what may well be its last opportunity to alter course. “If we don’t get a serious program in place for the long term in this post-Kyoto phase, we will simply not make it,” Michael Oppenheimer, a climate scientist at Princeton, told reporters last month. “We will be crossing limits which will basically produce impacts that are unacceptable.” Such is the nature of global warming that the problem is always further along than it seems. The kinds of changes that are now becoming evident—the rise in sea levels, the thawing of permafrost, the acidification of the oceans, the acceleration of ice streams—mean that much larger changes are rapidly approaching. To continue to delay is not to put off catastrophe but, rather, to rush toward it.

— Elizabeth Kolbert



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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:46 PM
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1. I'm going to kick this every day for a month.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:51 PM
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2. I can kick too n.t
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:09 AM
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8. And Another Extremely Needed Kick!
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:18 PM
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20. Me too.
It's another way this administration has failed to protect us.

K&N!

:kick:
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:00 AM
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3. History? Who cares? In a hundred years, we'll all be dead.
The crazy monkey doesn't care. His descendants will be safe in some jungle redoubt. There, miles from any major city, the aquifer for the Amazon and the other great rivers of South America begins. From their base, they'll ride out the terrible ecological changes and the mass extinction of the human species.

Bush is worse than Hitler.
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megatherium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:11 PM
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18. What have our descendents done for us? nt
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:52 AM
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28. As a life form, Bush is perhaps not worse than Hitler
but Bush's impact on the human race will prove to be many times worse than Hitler's, IMO.
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rfkrfk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:04 AM
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4. the Kyoto treaty is working perfectly, without the US
If these people had any integrity, they would put
bushco on the first freight train headed South.

Dozens of countries, including India and China, are in
complete compliance.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:05 AM
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5. kick and recommended n/t
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Theduckno2 Donating Member (905 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:40 AM
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6. Kicked and recommended(earlier). n/t
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Nothing Without Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:50 AM
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7. K & R with thanks n/t
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:32 AM
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9. Kicking and recommending - a must read!
:kick:
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:08 AM
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10. kick for the 7am crowd...
:kick:
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:29 AM
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11. you say "climate change" like it's a bad thing
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:56 AM
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12. Who Cares??
about the largest UN climate conference ever held? about world wide protests? about new grim projections about sea levels and more?
NOT the US media, not even much interest here.. :-(


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=2&ObjectID=10358430

Global warming protest stretches around world

05.12.05
By Geoffrey Lean and David Randall


MONTREAL AND LONDON - More than 100,000 people took to the streets in more than 30 countries yesterday, in the first world-wide demonstration to press for action to combat global warming.

The marches - timed to put pressure on the most important international climate change negotiations since the agreement of the Kyoto Protocol eight years ago - took place against a background of a blizzard of new research showing the heating of the planet is seriously affecting the world sooner than scientists predicted.

The protests were directed primarily at US President George W. Bush, who ruled out even talking about setting targets for reducing pollution past 2012, when present targets expire.

Up to 10,000 people marched through London, carrying banners linking the President and British Prime Minister Tony Blair as "climate criminals".

..more..
~~~~~~~~

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,16518,1650590,00.html

Sea level rise doubles in 150 years

· Increase blamed on fossil fuel use since 19th century
· Cut in greenhouse gases futile, researchers say

Ian Sample, science correspondent
Friday November 25, 2005
The Guardian


Global warming is doubling the rate of sea level rise around the world, but attempts to stop it by cutting back on greenhouse gas emissions are likely to be futile, leading researchers will warn today.
The oceans will rise nearly half a metre by the end of the century, forcing coastlines back by hundreds of metres, the researchers claim. Scientists believe the acceleration is caused mainly by the surge in greenhouse gas emissions produced by the development of industry and introduction of fossil fuel burning.

..more..

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1201-03.htm

Published on Thursday, December 1, 2005 by the Independent / UK

Fears of Big Freeze as Scientists Detect Slower Gulf Stream

by Steve Connor

The ocean "engine" that helps to drive the warm waters of the Gulf Stream and keeps Britain relatively mild in winter has begun to slow down, say scientists.

Measurements of ocean currents in the North Atlantic reveal that they have weakened by about 30 per cent since 1992. The findings, published in the journal Nature, fit computer predictions of what would happen when Greenland glaciers begin to melt because of global warming. The models suggest that extra freshwater released into the North Atlantic could weaken ocean currents and even shut down the Gulf Stream.

Britain benefits from the enormous amounts of heat - equivalent to the output of a million power stations - carried from the Caribbean by the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic Drift, and a tailing off in these currents could have a major impact on the country's climate.

Scientists estimate that the detected 30 per cent weakening of the Atlantic currents could lead to a fall of about 1C in Britain's average temperatures over the next 20 years.


..more..
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:00 AM
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13. K&R
Now to go yell this out on I-70 to the morning commuters.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:05 AM
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14. Who cares?
The religous insance like George Bush don't need to care. The rapture is coming and they don't care how much of a mess they leave behind.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:00 AM
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15. one kick




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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:44 AM
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16. Press conference, petition to Newsom and Pelosi in SF tomorrow!
**MEDIA ADVISORY**

Contact: (PM me for details.)

Date: December 6, 2005 For immediate release

Green groups petition Newsom, Pelosi on global warming crisis: Make San Francisco the world leader in sustainable energy!

• 1:00 PM, Wed. Dec. 7, 2005, City Hall Steps, San Francisco (Polk Street)
• Press conference--groups seek urgent action on global warming: alternative energy, energy-independence, pro-active local/federal energy, environmental and forest policy
• Speakers: Group reps*, and SF Supervisors Ross Mirkarimi and Tom Ammiano
• Gigantic dancing redwood trees pledge to heal earth with the song "Give trees a chance"
• March of Trees and Humans from City Hall (Newsom) to the Federal Building (Pelosi).

On the heels of several new scientific reports on the serious impacts of global warming--including the fast melting of the Greenland ice caps, and the prevalence of man-made hothouse gasses in earth's atmosphere--a coalition of environmental and social justice groups from around the Bay Area--and a contingent of dancing giant Redwood trees--will converge on the offices of San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, on Wed., Dec. 7, 2005, at 1:00 PM, to urge immediate action on the global warming crisis. Local petitioners are acting in coordination with the international Climate Crisis Coalition, at the United Nations Climate Summit in Montreal (Nov. 28-Dec. 9), where 10,000 delegates from 189 nations are meeting to address the global warming crisis.

At the local level in San Francisco, petitioners are urging Mayor Newsom to make San Francisco the world leader in sustainable energy by immediately implementing the Community Choice Energy plan (which will create 360 megawatts from solar, wind and conservation, and allow the city to choose its energy provider), shutting down the 'dirty' power plants, and forest protection. At the federal level, petitioners are urging Congressional leader Pelosi to take a proactive approach to energy policy--on the Kyoto Protocol, funding for alternative energy, forest protection, gas mileage standards, and elimination of subsidies for polluting industries.

The gigantic, towering redwood puppets that will lead the march to the Federal Building will pledge to continue restoring the earth, with the song "Give trees a chance" and their chant, "Ask not what the earth can do for you--ask what you can do for the earth."

*San Francisco Supervisors Ross Mirkarimi and Tom Ammiano will speak at the press conference. Participating groups include Global Exchange, Rainforest Action Network, Local Power, Energy Action, Community First Coalition, GreenAction, Our City, Huntersview community organizers, Gray Panthers-San Francisco, Pacific Environment, and Greenwood Earth Alliance, among others.

People, puppets and press: Meet on City Hall Steps at 1:00 PM. (Polk Street, between McAllister and Grove.) • • •
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:56 AM
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17. This is overwhelming. Goes back to my thread on Saturday,
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 11:00 AM by bluedawg12
is mankind an evolutionary mistake or bad joke?

It won't affect us as much as it will affect our kids and their kids. We are handing over a devestated little blue planet.

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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 12:15 PM
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19. Learn this three-word phrase: "Positive Feedback Loop"
"Positive Feedback Loop".

Get used to saying it.

Get used to hearing it.

Get used to the idea of living it.
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north houston dem Donating Member (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:48 PM
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21. K&R
:scared:
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:53 PM
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22. How warm does it have to get for my AZ property to be on the beach?
:rofl:
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:13 AM
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35. Depends, whats your elevation?
Our last big warm-up created an ocean of water from the gulf coast of TX to the Northwest Territories,putting close to half of the US underwater. I live at 2300 ft and we are on what remains of an ancient sea bed.

My question is how high would the water get if all the ice melts?
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 01:55 PM
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23. Kicked and nominated n/t
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:20 PM
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24. :kick:
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 12:51 AM
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25. two
:kick:
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EuroObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 01:25 AM
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26. “If we don’t get a serious program in place for the long term
in this post-Kyoto phase, we will simply not make it,”

Kick.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:48 AM
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27. good morning
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:46 AM
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29. UN climate talks enter key phase
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4506848.stm

UN climate talks enter key phase

Environmental activists have called for action on global warming
Environment ministers from across the world are to discuss climate change policy as a major UN conference in Montreal moves into its final phase.

It follows 10 days of talks by officials on how to meet the Kyoto targets and where to go next.

The ministers will attempt to finalise a deal on future global climate policy.

The US has so far blocked moves towards limits on carbon emissions after Kyoto expires in 2012, despite a call by one in four US senators for it to join in.



..more..
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:32 AM
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30. Kicking this. n/t
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 09:48 AM
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31. day three
Edited on Thu Dec-08-05 09:48 AM by Stephanie
thirty days of kicks for this
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 04:38 PM
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32. Kicking again!
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 09:57 AM
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33. four
of thirty days of kicks for this

:kick:
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:09 AM
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34. LOL, It seems Bill Clinton has 'displeased' the bush admin and is
going to speak at the Climate Change Conference today:

Clinton, in surprise, to speak at climate conference; U.S. delegation reported displeased

MONTREAL (AP) -- In a surprise visit, former President Clinton will speak at the annual U.N. climate conference Friday, final day of a contentious two-week meeting, the United Nations confirmed.

Bush administration envoys here were said to be displeased at Thursday's news of the unusual appearance - of an ex-president at a critical point in backroom negotiations involving the U.S. delegation.

"They haven't protested formally, but they're annoyed," a source in the Canadian government, the conference host, said of the U.S. delegates. "They're not infuriated, but they're not thrilled."

snip

As president, Clinton championed the 1997 Kyoto Protocol to fight global warming, an international agreement requiring reductions in "greenhouse-gas" emissions by major industrialized nations. Soon after he succeeded Clinton, President Bush formally renounced the Kyoto accord, saying it would harm the U.S. economy.

more

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CLIMATE_CHANGE_CLINTON_AROL-?SITE=VARIT&SECTION=US&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-12-08-20-28-41

(Thanks to Thom Little for the link in LBN)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:18 AM
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36. that's great news
how dare the Bushites be freaking "annoyed" - displeased - that's just digusting.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 10:59 AM
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37. Given we Canadians can be somewhat 'understated' at times...
when the source says "not infuriated and not thrilled", I read that as they are very, very pissed off, lol.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 03:00 PM
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39. GO BIG DAWG!
He should be an example to * on how to engage in an adult conversation. Seriously!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 02:52 PM
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38. kick
:kick:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:26 AM
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40. Morning Kick!
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:41 AM
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41. thanks!
:hi:
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:46 AM
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42. Welcome!
This is VERY important. :-)
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 11:02 PM
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43. A lil kick for the evening crowd.
I get a :kick: out of DU!
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 10:59 AM
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44. read me
:kick:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-15-05 11:32 AM
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45. kick
:kick:
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:40 AM
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46. thanks!
:hi:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-16-05 10:47 AM
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47. watching starving Polar Bears drown
our world is crumbling before our eyes.

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