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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:36 AM
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Bill Scher from LO has a great post on Huffington Post showing how what
people says actually matters and how we should not fall for appearances.

Food for thought in a time where many people start to think about who they will support in 2008.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-scher/mccain-most-dangerous-ma_b_11715.html

McCain: Most Dangerous Man in America (31 comments )
READ MORE: Iraq, Tim Russert, Google, 2008, Saddam Hussein, George W. Bush

I read Arianna's lament about Sen. John McCain with empathy. I too fell for the Straight Talk Express in 2000. I never committed to voting for him in the general election, but I temporarily switched my party registration to support him in the GOP primaries, thinking that he would at least be less dangerous than Bush.

I see now how wrong that vote was. Not because McCain has changed in any significant way (though both Arianna and Ari Melber have noticed some unpleasant changes), but because of what has stayed the same.
...
He also described his foreign policy philosophy during that debate, and afterwards, as being "Wilsonian," as in Woodrow Wilson. That's how neoconservatives characterize themselves to give their unilateralist views a phony democratic, idealistic veneer. (Fareed Zakaria once dubbed them "Armed" Wilsonians.)

...

"I was not a big Bush supporter in the primaries ... I knew George W. Bush, now President Bush, at that time, and hadn’t really been that impressed by him. I preferred McCain in the primaries, mostly because of foreign policy, because McCain articulated something much closer to what has now become the Bush Doctrine, in terms of a muscular internationalist American foreign policy that addressed both American interests and American principles."


Many here, including myself, fell for McCain (consider him a a good guy), without realizing that his ideas were not better than Bush's. He just would have carried them with more competency and hopefully a little less cronyism.

But, many of us fell for the insurgent's image and this is a lesson that should be remembered. Tough talk is not bad, but we should be sure that the person who talks like that has ideas we agree with.
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dogday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:47 AM
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1. I lost my taste for McCain
the moment he put his arm around Bush during the campaign.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:48 AM
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2. I think the point is that we should never have had a taste for him,
if we had listened to what he was actually saying. But most of us did not.
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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:50 AM
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4. Mass, people were ashamed of Clinton and the Democrats
they were looking for an alternative.

THIS is what many will be doing against Bush and the Republicans in 06--at least we HOPE!

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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:49 AM
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3. Mass, what you say is true.
McCain is quite a lot like Bush. I too voted for McCain in the primaries but I believe most people were looking at the Republicans more closely after the Clinton fiasco.

McCain did have qualities that were different from Bush, namely the religious fanatism and the appearance of wisdom and calm.

Plus, he did have the reputation of a straight shooter.

But I don't believe McCain has enough shreds of his reputation left after these 3 years of being a Bush cohort. He's offended to many of the 'fundies' (even if he were to suddenly find religion in a serious way they wouldn't believe him) and he's offended too many moderate dems and all progressives.

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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 09:09 AM
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5. We all remember ... but
We all remember that Bush "Swift-Boated" McCain in the South Carolina Primary before he ever turned that technique on Kerry, but how many recall that after the primaries and before the general conventions, Karl Rove went down to Arizona to meet with McCain? It was just after that visit that McCain came out and endorsed Bush. So, the question is this: what did Rove promise McCain to get his support.

We all remember that the 2004 campaign was probably the dirtiest in modern times, setting a new low. McCain objected here and there, but I believe that he (possibly with the aid of John Warner) could have put a stop to it, but he didn't. In effect, he acquiesced to Rove. Why?

Something is rotten in the State of Arizona.
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