Did Dean really say we are going to lose in Iraq?

Or is this just a statement that was selectively quoted by the MSM? On the surface the comment is going to hurt us if not neutralized. I don't want to see dozens of commmercials with that quote come November 2006.

Did Dean really say this or was it taken out of context? And while Americans want an exit strategy, at the same time they'll still punish any candidate who tells the truth (just ask Walter Mondale in 1984 when he said he would raise taxes. People knew about the budget's issues, but didn't want to hear about it.)Politically this comment hurts us, even if we may be in the majority in terms of whether or not to leave..

when will it be okay for our leaders to level with us? Until they do, we will continue to repeat the mistakes that our politicians allowed in Iraq.

He said, the United States is not going to win this (i.e. BY ITSELF FOR ITSELF). That victory is dependent on the Iraqis and it is not a question of the Americans "winning" in the sense that Tom DeLay and Ann Coulter mean it, by pure overwhelming force applied over time.

What possible good can overcome the mistakes and loss of life & reputation we've already experienced due to this ridiculous conflict.

We've already lost - I have NO idea what you're talking about.

We CAN NOT win if we do not make HUGE changes, and that change is sadly adding a lot more troops on the ground.

In fact, it's exactly the opposite. The sense of being occupied is what gives the insurgents a sense of legitimacy. If people didn't see American troops in their everyday routine, the insurgency would seem silly.

do you think we won anything? Why do we have to continue the lies just to appease knee-jerk commentators bent on covering up the massive failure in Iraq? What possible good can come from touting the lie that we won anything there?

Cry it'll hurt Democrats or not - he's unwilling to blindly assure victory in the face of all reality.

There's nothing to "win," and we should have known that before going in. 2 out of 3 voters now realize this. Call a spade a spade and stop tapdancing. It's like none of the dems can bring themselves to calling shrub a liar. He is.

We've already lost....as some have already noted.

Here's the AP story on it: http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/D/DEAN_IRAQ?SITE=FLTAM&SECTION=POLITICS&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2005-12-05-20-32-41

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Dec 5, 8:32 PM EST


Dean Questions Commitment to Iraq Strategy

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Democratic Chairman Howard Dean on Monday likened the war in Iraq to Vietnam and said, "The idea that the United States is going to win the war in Iraq is just plain wrong," comments that drew immediate fire from Republicans.

In an interview with WOAI-AM in San Antonio, Dean criticized what he called President Bush's "permanent commitment to a failed strategy" while saying, "We need to be out of there and take the targets off our troops back." Dean recalled that the strategy to stay the course in Vietnam cost thousands more lives to be lost.

"I wish the president had paid more attention to the history of Iraq before we had gotten in there," Dean said. "The idea that we're going to win this war is just plain wrong."

We lost the day we crossed the border.

The majority of Americans may be on our side in theory, but if the GOP uses a bunch of ads next year of him saying this, then voters will begin saying (we can't vote for a party of weakness if they bluntly think we are going to lose.) I don't understand why this is logic of voters, but this is how it works, unfortunately.

At least that's how I'm reading it.

The fact is that the GOP can and will use this in ads anyway. But, I mean seriously...

What do you expect Iraq to look like in a year, or for that matter, the US Army to look like in a year, that would allow the Republicans to get traction with this?

They run "bumper-sticker-mentality" campaigns very succesfully.

I have always felt the same thing. WE cannot win that war. There is NO WAR. Where are the troops we are fighting???? Are we against all the Iraq people? You can't win a war that isn't there. I stand with Dean. You need to do your homework.

what? To say nothing? To make sounds like a right wing Republican?

This war was never winable.

No, Nixon did. (audio) (Due to limited bandwidth, please d/l, repost and share.)

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said on the today show, during the campaign. Bush said the was on terroism was unwinnable. It was just an endless cycle of war. Like the war on drugs, crime, ect....

nor ever WILL be defined?

It is time to say it and make plans.

No one else in Washington is willing to do that.

It's helpful to live in reality.

That's why I love Dr. Dean

A silly thing for the chairman of the Democratic party to say out loud. He really ought to watch his soundbites, because we sure as shit ARE going to see those commercials.

Ddi you really think that Faux Noise was going to run the entire statement?

because as we already know, Mission Accomplished.

as he always does. I respect and admire him for that.

Dean has taken the job of saying what needs to be said but will hurt chance to run for higher office. When Dean took the lead role he knew what he was doing. He has done a great job. This is another great example of leadership and being on top of an issue. Once again the White House can't run away from the Iraq war issue. Once again they are force to paint their unrealistic picture of Iraq. Once again Dean allows other democrats to stand to the right of him in public opinion. It's just good politics. Oh and he IS RIGHT to boot. You can't win this war because the original objective never existed. The war is a loss because it took resources we need to really combat terrorism and wasted them for <blank> years.

where eighty per cent of the people we're helping don't want us there. We ought to be mighty proud of being able to go all over the world and force democracy down the throats of other countries who don't want it, and kill 120,000 of their citizens because we have to win.

Yes, I'm mighty proud to be an American.

hasn't Vietnam taught us anything?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am sick and tired of the whores in the media being mindless megaphones for Republican Spin. Dr. Dean is absolutely correct and it's time we call the media out when they play up the BS Repuke spin.


Tell me, what is more "defeatest"? Blindly following the Bush policy or having an honest discussion about what is/has been happening?