Dean's Iraq remarks will be the mainstream in a couple of months

Armstead

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:08 PM
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Dean's Iraq remarks will be the mainstream in a couple of months

Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 12:16 PM by Armstead

It's a pattern with old Howard, espcially when it comes to Iraq. He says something that is portrayed as outrageous and over the top....But within a few months, events catch up with him, and what once seemed outrageous become the mainstream conventional wisdom.

I suspect his latest remarks will follow the same pattern.

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The Backlash Cometh

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:12 PM
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1. And maybe that's why Reagan was so harsh on Dean.

Because he knows that if they don't stop the point man, that everybody else will feel free to voice their real opinion and the Republican party is really cooked.

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EFerrari

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:16 PM
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2. That's right. Dean is always ahead of the curve.

And, I'm glad he's willing to take the flak because it moves us all forward -- maybe not the party, but all of us. The party will benefit in the long haul

Go, Dean.

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jonnyblitz

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:18 PM
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3. I am waiting for the DLC condemnation of this comment

I am sure they aren't pleased. nt

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HereSince1628

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:29 PM
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6. I'm sure they see it as undermining their "tough Dems" approach

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EFerrari

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:32 PM
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7. Dean, by virtue of being alive, is a threat to their elitism. n/t

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Jacobin

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:19 PM
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4. That 'outrageous' claim is believed by 60% plus of Americans

polled.

Its only 'outrageous' because someone in Washington spoke the truth

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EFerrari

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:29 PM
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5. Yep. Just as when Nora O'Donnel called Cindy

Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 12:29 PM by sfexpat2000

an "extremist" when most of the country agrees with her.

It's outrageous because that's what the fax said. :eyes:

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Armstead

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:39 PM
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10. Ronald Reagan's former advisor Gen. Odem is saying the same thing

Last night on hardball, Gen. Odem said basically the same thing Dean did, in even stronger terms.

And Odem is no former conservative. he also praised Reagan's approach compared to this administration.

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FreedomAngel82

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:32 PM
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8. Yep

Maybe he's a psychic?? ;) Didn't he say something else that is now very mainstream? I can't remember what it was though.

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Armstead

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:35 PM
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9. Tom Delay? Corporate Media?....Take your pick

Also, remember how outrageous his remarks about the racial divide were labeled last year? But then after Katrina the subject came up on its own...

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Mass

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Tue Dec-06-05 12:50 PM
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11. Who says it is outrageous? The RW media. They are certainly not

the mainstream.

Dean is the mainstream.

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Armstead

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Tue Dec-06-05 08:34 PM
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12. He's a litt;le bit ahead of the Mainstream

But still within sight.

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blm

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Tue Dec-06-05 08:40 PM
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13. There have already been military people saying the same thing - media just

Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 08:43 PM by blm

doesn't want public to know that, so they point to Dean or "immediate withdrawal" and distort, distort, DISTORT.

Odom, Perry, Kerry, Cleland, Hagel, Murtha and others have all said that military success is not possible at this point - we can only have political achievements if we pursued them correctly and sincerely.

ALL of these men understand military strategy - Dean's position is not that far off from theirs - only he wants to draw up a compromise 2yr withdrawal plan, while the others are more 6mo - 13mo timeframes.

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