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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:05 PM
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Defacing the flag bothers me
I know there are first amendment issues, but really, a high ranking governmental offical should know better and should follow the Flag Code as outlined in Title 4, Chapter 1, Section 8, Paragraph (G) of the United States Code:

The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark, insignia, letter, word, figure, design, picture, or drawing of any nature.

It's just so disgusting to see such behavior!
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:10 PM
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1. You expect a draft dodger like * to know that ?
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dutchdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:10 PM
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2. I agree
Edited on Tue Dec-06-05 02:11 PM by dutchdemocrat
This woman needs to do some hard jail time for Hillary.



Jail the General I say



Not to mention tasteful Trademarking of a man's last words on a 9-11 flight imprinted on a flag.



Or the flag sewn into Bush-Cheney gear made in Burma...



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wixomblues Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:10 PM
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3. He's just impressed with all the crazy colors.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:11 PM
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4. OMG! Is that a real photo?
Where was it taken?? That's DISGUSTING!
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:11 PM
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5. Heh. When I first passed this pic to RW'ers. I told them it was Clinton
Cause from the gray and the blurriness, I could be at first glance.

I let them explode, and fume and sputter with absolute outrage...

...then I told them it was *.

And they immediately started rationalizing about how such a thing was OK.

Hypocritical assholes that RW'ers are.

But we already know that.
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im10ashus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:05 PM
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22. Too funny.
I love a good dose of bait and switch.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:20 PM
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38. Nice!!!
I'm gonna do that if I get the chance!
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:11 PM
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6. One person's desecration is another person's honor....
I do not see anything different in what Bush is doing versus that of Larry Flynt wearing a flag as a diaper.....both are being made to state a point of view.

But remember, the GOP is the Rule of Law party.....


except when it comes to them, of course.
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:29 PM
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14. Larry Flynt doesn't try to indemnify symbols against free speech
His Royal Minus does.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:12 PM
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7. Im just not so sure that I find a flag made in taiwan to be worthy
of such a law that would make it criminal to burn it? Something is seriously wrong with that picture...
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:15 PM
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8. I hear you, but look at what * signing the flag represents
He did that as President of the United States who is supposed to represent everybody in the country.

The symbolism of that act is one of the entire nation defacing their own flag.

Very telling symbolism.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:25 PM
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13. Oh I agree with you on the idiot son, you know Walt, I am so tired
of having a president that in no way shape or form deserves respect of any kind..

It's so disheartening, sorry to veer off subject.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:59 PM
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34. Signing the flag is taking care of the nation
And Bush IS the nation, so he's defacing himself.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:23 PM
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9. Dupe Walt
This conversation is going on here too: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5529349&mesg_id=5529349
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:25 PM
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12. This thread is aboud flag defacement
that thread is about flag burning.

Two different discussions.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:23 PM
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10. The post office "writes" on flags all of the time.
They cancel flag stamps...
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Conservativesux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:29 PM
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15. A stamp is a picture, not a flag. Two dementional not three. Big diff.
Not the same at all.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:52 AM
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40. A stamp may be thin, but it's definitely three-dimensional.
And flag stamps still violate the flag code. See Post #39.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:33 PM
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17. Thats not a flag.
It's a stamp - there's a huge difference.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:01 PM
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35. And defacement of stamps is illegal too... except when the USPS does it!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:50 AM
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39. ...and it's still against the rules:
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 06:50 AM by MercutioATC
"Isn't the American flag stamp in violation of the flag rules?

37¢ stamp
This question has been asked by dozens of visitors to this page. The answer appears to be yes. Section 8e. (see below) reads, "The flag should never be ... used ... in such a manner as to permit it to be easily torn, soiled, or damaged in any way." Section 8g. reads, "The flag should never have placed upon it, nor on any part of it, nor attached to it any mark ... of any nature." 8i. reads, " should not be printed or otherwise impressed on ... anything that is designed for temporary use and discard.""

http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagetiq.html
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longship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:24 PM
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11. Defacing the Constitution bothers me.
The flag is a surrogate for the Constitution. It really bugs the shit out of me that anybody would want to rip up the Constitution to preserve the surrogate.

Burning the flag is speech--free speech. Defend that.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:32 PM
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16. How about those flag covered bridges - how disrespectful can you get!!!
Those dumb rednecks that cover a bridge with flags have NO IDEA how badly they are disrespecting the flag when they do that. I am tempted to burn all but one of the flags on those bridges to restore dignity to the flag. Those idiot moron rednecks make me sick.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 02:39 PM
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18. Thank you!
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:00 PM
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19. Good find.
I also want to know why Hillary Clinton won't stop all those car dealers from waving them as attention getters, or why we allow China and Korea to make them for us.

It is kinda funny to think of right-wingers fighting for a piece of fabric that says, "made in China."
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:00 PM
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20. bravo....
:applause:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:03 PM
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21. Thanks Walt!
I had forgotten about that photo.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:11 PM
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23. Do you see any problem here Walt?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3673701

Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Tue May-17-05 01:44 PM

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Why I don't have a problem with the Qur'an being thrown in a toilet

I'm not a Muslim and the text is no more sacred to me than a copy of Gone With the Wind. It doesn't ruffle my feathers like Piss Christ didn't ruffle my feathers because I am not a Christian and a guy nailed to a cross is no more sacred to me than a fat dude sitting in the lotus position laughing.



What's most sacred to me is reporting the truth, and since this incident had been reported multiple times over more than two years, Newsweek being pushed to back down on reporting the truth is the REAL sacrilege if you ask me.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 03:35 PM
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24. Remember this? Another Republican Christian "Patriot" did this.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:19 PM
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37. How can we forget.
The RW retards will say anything to manipulate people - they are evil to the core.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:05 PM
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25. U.S. Flag Code (4 US Code 1)
Section 8

(d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel...

(j) No part of the flag should ever be used as a costume...
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:19 PM
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29. But how would the freeps drape themselves in the flag if it's against the
rules?

Anyone have a pic of the unknown patriot?
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hiaasenrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:07 PM
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26. Priceless picture. * is a total hypocrite.Thanks! n/t
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grateful581 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 04:52 PM
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27. Bush is out of his mind !
I thought he was against defacing the flag
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USA_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:05 PM
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28. Treason!
Another reason to IMPEACH BUSH!!!
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:21 PM
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30. Here ya go Walt Starr:
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:35 PM
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31. Using it to further an agenda is even worse than defacing.
I don't mind defacing in the slightest. It's a symbol. And that's all it is.

BUT, to take it and wrap it around one's self to promote war, or nationalism (in an exclusive way) is the worst thing I can imagine- Pure Bushit.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:52 PM
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32. He's writing on it UPSIDE DOWN... the pinko bastard. n/t
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:59 PM
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33. I'm in favor of flag burning only if there's a politican wrapped up in it.
Bring on the lighter fluid and matches!
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Dances with Cats Donating Member (545 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 07:06 PM
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36. Dissing what it STANDS FOR bothers me....
n/t.
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