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NoAmericanTaliban Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:25 PM
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More and more Americans are moving to get away from overheated housing
market

'Take this house and shove it'
More and more Americans are moving to get away from overheated housing markets.
December 6, 2005: 11:06 AM EST
By Les Christie, CNNMoney.com staff writer




NEW YORK(CNNMoney.com) - Many residents of high-priced housing markets around the country are cashing out and moving to more affordable areas.

In Massachusetts, a quarter of the people in the state said they would leave if they had the opportunity, according to a poll by MassINC, a non-profit public policy think tank. They would join some 170,000 Bay Staters who left for other parts of the United States between 2000 and 2004.

The No. 1 reason cited by those who want to leave: The high cost of living. And the No. 1 area needing major improvement: Housing affordability.

On the other side of America, Hawaii faces a similar mindset -- two out of every five residents say they have considered leaving the islands because of the cost of housing, according to a poll co-sponsored by the Hawaii Business Roundtable and Pacific Resource Partnership.

There are other places that have been affected.

California suffers a net loss of about 100,000 residents a year to other states, according to Economy.com. In recent years, many have cashed out their rapidly appreciated homes and moved to Arizona, Washington, and Oregon.

But now that prices have climbed in those states as well, the latest trend is that Californians are turning to the Midwest, where spacious houses are available for half of the cost of similar space in Los Angeles.

"It makes increasing sense if you can buy more house and still live in a good area," says Conrad Egan, president and CEO of the Center for Housing Policy, a non-profit group that seeks to make sense of the nation's housing policy.

Compelling math
On Long Island, the once bucolic suburb but now heavily developed region next to New York City, about 70 percent of residents are at least somewhat concerned that high housing costs will drive their families from the region.

And this is not a far-off issue -- 45 percent said it was at least somewhat likely that they would move out during the next five years.

There are two factors at work, according to Carrie Meek Gallagher, project director of the Long Island Index, which published the findings.

The first is that younger Long Islanders aged 18 to 34 are unable to afford decent homes.

"Many families spend more than half their income on housing," says Egan at the Center for Housing Policy.

The second is that older residents who already own increasingly valuable property find they can sell their present homes, buy in less expensive locales, and have big nest eggs left over.

For them, the numbers add up like this: A Long Island couple with income of $100,000 wants to move to Daytona Beach. Florida as well as Georgia and the Carolinas are prime destinations for Long Islanders.

According to CNNMoney.com's cost of living calculator, they would need only about $68,000 a year there to live as they're accustomed to. (Try different scenarios with the tool calculator above.)

And selling their house and buying a new one down South would produce a big fat dividend. The American Homebuilders Association reports that a comparable home in the Deltona-Daytona Beach area, for example, costs about $194,000 compared with $434,000 in Long Island's Nassau County.

Younger Long Islanders, says Gallagher, often find that they may have to take a slight pay cut when they move to the Sun Belt, "but they more than make up for it by being able to buy a brand new house for half the price it would cost on Long Island."

The trend has already taken root and seems to be accelerating.

"There was a big jump, from 62 percent to 70 percent, in one year of the 18-to-34 age group who think they are likely to leave within the next five years," according to Gallagher.

Eroding affordability
On the other coast, an exodus of Californians leaving for Nevada has helped transform the housing market in Las Vegas into one of the hottest in the country.

But there are signs that Vegas is about played out. The median house there has leaped to $283,000 and the ratio to median income is now about 4.8, nearly as high as Long Island's ratio of about five to one.

The jump in Vegas has caused many Californians to think elsewhere.

For example, California money pouring into Arizona has helped make Phoenix the hottest house market in the country, with home values ballooning 55 percent over the last 12 months, according to the latest statistics from Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, which regulates Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

It's even been reported that Las Vegans are starting to pull up stakes for the cheaper markets such as Phoenix, Tucson, and Chandler, all in Arizona.

Now, what odds could you have gotten betting on that a few years ago?

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http://money.cnn.com/2005/12/05/real_estate/buying_selling/forget_this_housing_market/index.htm?cnn=yes
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:28 PM
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1. I'm hoping to leave PHX in about 3 years with enough from my home
to buy a property in a rural area and start another business debt free

just hope the housing market holds that long......
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:22 PM
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3. It's cheap where I am!
:hi:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 06:24 PM
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4. Cheap here in San Antonio. Move here and turn the state blue!
:woohoo:
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:52 PM
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7. actually San Antone would probably be OK, but DH hates humidity
he has very bad memories of Dallas in August

might be a hard sell....
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 10:18 PM
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8. It's pretty humid here, granted. Well good luck wherever you decide to
move too!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:26 AM
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10. Tell him to visit Houston in August!
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 08:38 AM by Bridget Burke
We've got more humidity than Dallas--definitely more than San Antonio. It gets plenty hot, but is usually OK in the shade. And San Antonio nights are not as muggy.

Edited to add: Astronomy in San Antonio?
www.sanantonioastronomy.org/index.php
www.sanantonioastronomical.org/
www.accd.edu/sac/astronom/astr1370/Astrhome.htm
www.eclipsetours.com/historysa2

I live in Houston & appreciate its good points. (I ignore the rest.) But San Antonio is many Texans' favorite town. It's got all the benefits of a big city but charming neighborhoods can still be found. San Antonio was "multi-ethnic" before the word was invented. Their visual arts scene is excellent. And you're not far from the Hill Country. Nor from Austin--"Not what it once was"--as they said 20 years ago! Still, Austin is fun for a visit.





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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:50 PM
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6. LOL hubby insists on clear skies for his astronomy and warm weather
how's your climate?

:hug:
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wildeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:18 AM
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9. Well no clear skies and we have cold weather
in the winter, so no on both counts. :(
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 05:37 PM
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2. My house is now worth more than 4 times what I paid for it but
I wouldn't leave the Phoenix area. For good or bad, this is home to me now. So all the money that my home may be worth doesn't do me much good because I'm not selling. The increase in value just means more property tax.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-06-05 08:03 PM
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5. NoAmericanTaliban please read
In the future please limit your snips of articles to 4
paragraghs as per the Democratic Underground
copyright rules .

proud patriot Moderator
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:30 AM
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11. Only people from out of state can afford the real estate here where I live
so we have a lot of people from away here. We born and bred Mainers are just scrambling to find any place to live. Even trailers and doublewides are a pipe dream for a lot of us in this area. :(
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symbolman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 09:17 AM
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12. We moved to Hawaii from California
about two years ago since it was actually cheaper to buy a comparable home here after selling a condo in SoCal..

Now the taxes are being levied right and left and we're almost getting taxed right out of our home, our house payment is about a third more than it was went we moved it, they just ADD it to your mortgage payments, it's NUTS.. We're actually going to contact our Representative about it as it's insanely unfair..

BUt we did watch the price of our home rise about 100K between the time we started the paperwork up to the time we actually moved INTO the home, and it's gone up more since.. so we haven't LOST any money since this home appreciated right back up to the price we sold the condo for in SoCal, and we used the difference to fight the Bush admin with films/FLash attack ads, etc..

As far as getting a tech job tho it sucks here, we may have to leave the political field and get JOBS thanks to no one having money, or sites like MoveOn, etc sucking up all the donations..

I even spent a year researching the Plame outing and created my film "Rove's War" at Takebackthemedia.com http://www.takebackthemedia.com with the hopes of using it to garner enough donations to maintain the site - but like a lot of good work it gets lost in the din of a thousand blogs full of opinions which anyone can write in a DAY and then ask for donations..

It's almost not WORTH it to do a GOOD Job anymore, speculations seem to bring more donations than FACTS, unfortunately :)

Good article, maybe we'll get a more Democratic homogenization of States and redistricting will give we Democrats MORE POWER at the polls..
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