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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:14 PM
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BREAKING: Military Will Request $100B For Iraq Next Yr Murtha Reveals
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 03:22 PM by kpete
BREAKING: Military Will Request $100B For Iraq Next Year, Murtha Reveals
During his response to President Bush this afternoon, Murtha revealed, for the first time, that the Pentagon will ask for an additional $100 billion for operations in Iraq next year:

MURTHA: Twenty years it’s going to take to settle this thing. The American people is not going to put up with it; can’t afford it. We have spent $277 billion. That’s what’s been appropriated for this operation. We have $50 billion sitting on the table right now in our supplemental, or bridge fund we call it, in the Appropriations Committee. They’re going to ask for another $100 billion next year.



QUESTION: Can we come back to the $100 billion? You said that you expect the military to ask for $100 billion. Where are you getting that figure?

MURTHA: Where I get all my figures: the military.

Murtha has reason to know. He’s the ranking member of the House Defense Appropriations Subcommittee. The total cost of the Iraq war is quickly approaching the cost of Vietnam, which lasted 8 years.
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/07/murtha-100b/

Murtha Responds to Bush Speech:
http://www.dccc.org/stakeholder/
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OldLeftieLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:15 PM
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1. Meanwhile,
it's cold down in the Delta these nights, and how many people are still living in tents?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:20 PM
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2. WOW, that's $273,972,602.74 PER DAY!!!!
We'll be spending!!!

That's $11,415,525.15 PER HOUR!!!

That's $190,258.75 PER MINUTE!!!

We're going to spend $3179.98 PER SECOND IN IRAQ NEXT YEAR!!!!

At that rate, the entire Plame investigation to date costs what about 4 minutes and 27 seconds costs us in Iraq!!!!!
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:37 PM
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11. Yeah, but think how much the Halliburtons, Bechtels, et al will be raking
in.
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Up2Late Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:15 PM
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32. If you haven't seen it yet, you should check out the website of...
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 07:15 PM by Up2Late
... The National Priorities Project at this link: <http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182>

They have links that break down how the money we've spent so far killing people in Iraq could have been spent, like:

The War In Iraq Costs
$224,885,209,704 (at the moment I copied this, it's higher now)

Instead, we could have built
2,024,880
additional housing units.

or

The War In Iraq Costs
$224,885,378,935

Instead, we could have provided
10,901,947
students four-year scholarships at public universities.

or

The War In Iraq Costs
$224,885,509,721

Instead, we could have hired
3,897,293
additional public school teachers for one year.

<http://nationalpriorities.org/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=182>



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oneold1-4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:46 PM
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35. no SS-medicare
With the new additional medicare cost out of SS, and the stupid Rx($3600 per year minimum cost), millions right here will DIE. IT HAS TO END! Americans should not pay any more taxes period until things are back to normal, where we take better care of our own first! I plan to change my W-4 Jan.1 to pay nothing next year!
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:20 PM
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3. Weeping creeping Jesus
It's like Vietnam never happened.
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Squatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:22 PM
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4. Fucking money pit.
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VaYallaDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:50 PM
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14. Blood and money both, Squatch.
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:22 PM
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5. that's fucking insane.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:22 PM
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6. Take it out of Bush and Cheney's pay.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:24 PM
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7. And Halliburton
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #7
10. And after reading a thread on down this page, the members and
posters of the Freerepublic!
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #6
31. Take it out of their hides... LITERALLY!!!
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:25 PM
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8. We could rebuild every Katrina home & buy all renters their own homes
in NOLA and the gulf coast. Plus we could build real flood/hurricane protection like the Dutch and British have.
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stubtoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:03 PM
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37. And supply everyone in the US with health care too.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:26 PM
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9. This is the ground that the occupation must be fought on, appropriations
The money's the fuel that prolongs the war. That's perhaps where we can legislate some of our exit plans by forcing amendments to the spending bill.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:37 PM
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12. They will break us financially, or so that is the plan, the urgents
will continue to grow, and we will bleed money and blood to try and take over a land that is not ours.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:48 PM
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13. That's about $1mil per Iraqi we've killed.
Assuming the high number of 100,000. Counting actual combatants it would probably be about $10mil per corpse.

Bush and the generals need a good accountant to figure out the profit/loss of the investment.

Hell, we could probably buy most of them off for a few grand and a ticket to Disneyland.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:00 PM
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16. In total $277 B + $100 B, that's something over $15,000 per capita in
Iraq! Couldn't we have just given them the money to overthrow Saddam?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 03:52 PM
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15. Holy crap. I wonder if he "leaked" this? I wonder if they knew
he knew they were going to ask for THAT MUCH MONEY? Go Murtha!
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:24 PM
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62. Stand with John Murtha Send a flower for him to take on his visits
Please sign petition supporting Rep. Murtha's plan to redeploy our soldiers.

http://www.workingforchange.com/activism/action.cfm?itemid=19942&afccode=n17jnb

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It's rare that representatives from all the diverse factions in Iraq's new government can agree on something. But recently, at the Arab League conference in Cairo, they spoke with one voice -- they want a timetable for U.S. troops to leave Iraq.

Tell Congress that you agree.

Shockingly, they also declared that resistance to the U.S. occupation of Iraq is "legitimate," so long as civilians are not targeted. When even those leaders supported by the U.S. are agreeing that attacks on American forces are legitimate, it's time for us to get our troops out of there.

Tell Congress -- it's time to begin bringing the troops home.

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Stand with John Murtha -- send a flower to the troops at Walter Reed Hospital.

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Karmadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:32 PM
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17. Sorry, but it's worth every penny to avoid the disastrous Domino Effect.
If we lose Iraq, we'll lose Laos, and then Cambodia, and then Thailand and then who knows where Communist aggression will stop?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:37 PM
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20. yes indeed , because we all know that Freedom is...
PRICELESS!!!! :puke:
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RazzleDazzle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:14 AM
Response to Reply #20
48. and really isn't free.
Hmm, how many more meaningless cliches can we dredge up?
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:47 PM
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49. Here's a meaningless cliche for you: president george w. bush
Does it get any more meaningless than that?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #17
61. We've been here before. History repeats.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:34 PM
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18. meanwhile the Gulf Coast is in ruins
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flordehinojos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:37 PM
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19. how immorally indecent of bush,contraalteza lice, runfled,sheenanay,
and all the rest.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:02 PM
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21. the military is doing everything possible
to stop this war and we now have an open rebellion
. when murtha said we were going
to leave 50 billion dollars worth of our military hardware
in iraq i knew the generals have had enough of the boy king
and his babylon adventure
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:06 PM
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22. And the repukes said Sens. Landrieu and Vitter asked for too much.
:sarcasm:

In this light, $250 billion spread out over several years to rebuild the Gulf Coast seems like a Blue Light Special compared to $87 billion here, $100 billion there, and all to create more destruction. :grr: :banghead:
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:06 PM
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23. Our youngest, most vulnerable children will suffer!
I DON'T want to see *'s war fought on the backs of the poorest and most vulnerable children in our country! I am a preschool teacher, working to ready at-risk children for kindergarten.
Congress is proposing to CUT funds for Head Start. They should be finding MORE $$ for Head Start, NOT making cuts!
You can click on the link below to send a message to your Congress person urging them to oppose the plan to slash 35,000 Head Start slots for America’s poorest kids...
http://www.saveheadstart.org/

:mad:
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Trevelyan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 11:59 AM
Response to Reply #23
60. I signed petition for Headstart. Thank you for letting us know about it.
I had to do it twice, got an error message the first time after I hit CONFIRM.

Is anyone else having problems with petitions?

For a while I was getting a lot of error messages when tried to sign. Had Firefox and went back to Explorer because was having problems uploading photos to my blogspot.

http://katrinafemacamps.blogspot.com/
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:08 PM
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24. I thought it would be less with "Duke" Cunningham gone.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 06:09 PM by faygokid
Not much less, but a fraction. Still plenty of money to go to "defense contractors" with sham companies who turn around and fund the GOP under the table - with our tax dollars. No need to get greedy. Take, say, $20 billion for Tom DeLay and his pals from our pockets. Let's not get vulgar about it. Hey, maybe the media will look into it! Bob Woodward could investigate - oops, I guess not. Damn.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:09 PM
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25. this empire stuff sure is expensive.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:12 PM
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26. We could have funded world hunger efforts for NINE YEARS
with the amount we've spent on this goddamn war.

Given EVERY CHILD in the world basic immunizations for 74 YEARS.

Hired 4 MILLION new teachers.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #26
27. but wouldn't that be one of them guvment give aways?
:sarcasm:
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:20 PM
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28. Hey, at least it'd be effecting some kind of postitive change.
;)

In Iraq, we LITERALLY could burn all the money we've spent so far and it'd be more productive --- at least some who are homeless could gather around and not be cold for a night.
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 06:45 PM
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29. The second link is amazing.
This man is talking. He's telling it like it is. I remember reading some stuff that Stan Goff had written a few years ago.

This was when I was looking for some answers and didn't find any.

Mr. Murtha is saying exactly what Goff said.

Thanks very much for posting.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:08 PM
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30. Imagine the oil we could have bought LEGITIMATELY!!!
Instead, we destroy, kill hundreds of thousands, and enrich a few corporations while diviing this country and the world.

WORST.PRESIDENT.EVER.
WORST.ADMINISTRATION.EVER.
WORST.PARTY.EVER.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:34 PM
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33. That will vault the Iraq invasion and occupation past Vietnam in
inflation corrected dollars!

All I can say is Wow!

http://www.cwc.lsu.edu/cwc/other/stats/warcost.htm
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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 07:38 PM
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34. NO NO NO NO NO!!!!!
I cannot accept this, it is HORRIBLE! We must do something. We are a BANKRUPT COUNTRY!

We are being ran DIRECTLY INTO THE GROUND by these neo-con fascist pigs.

Someone organize a group to Washington for Christmas Eve day, anti-war pro-peace march(perfect for Jesus' holy night of birth celebration) and I'll be there!

These bastards must be stopped by those in the gov't who know this idiot is destroying our country and we must support them.

DU has the ability to send out a gazillion emails to weblinks, DU users, and news agencies to put out a call to tens of thousands of people to go to the white house! I'll do it.

Christmas is about peace, and how can we let them continue to have an illegal war, which is clearly STATE TERRORISM and assault on a country that didn't provoke us, and still act like there's such "PEACE" in the world, as millions will sing carols to in churches all across the country.

Like I said, I'll go there, so if I see anything about it, whether it be Christmas eve or new year's eve, or some other day, I'll do it.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:02 PM
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36. so the stooge on pbs newshour was flat out lying?
that so-called expert thought it would cost the allocated 18 billion and then token amounts. maybe that was just the graft to Halliburton.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:06 PM
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38. Don't fight it, or you will be branded a traitor.
At least they got that part figured out.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:11 PM
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39. 100billion
and they want to get rid of Amtrak, they are not doing anything for New Orleans

we still have tons of homeless and jobless people here..................


I guess we should all buy Halliburton stock?
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 08:17 PM
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40. Disband Halliburton and confiscate the blood money.
100 Billion is about how much they have in their coffers right now. Blood money, all of it.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:50 PM
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50. Seize the blood money? Hold darth cheney for trial!
Crimes against the human race!
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #40
54. I've actually been thinking about this myself.
It's a long way from the worst idea ever proposed, but you'd have to do it in such a way as to single Halliburton out because of its corruption. Otherwise, it might set a precedent neo-cons could use against liberal businesses in the future.

And Jesus, another 100 billion?!
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:05 PM
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41. Miltary will get fifty B and a withdrawal date.
Now WAY is congress going to spend that sort of money.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:11 PM
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42. Local Tulsa news showing hundreds of homeless people trying to get in
inside to avoid freezing, it's 12 degrees / wind chill below zero. There doesn't seem to be enough space for them. :grr: :cry:

If I lived there instead of 50 miles away, I'd go downtown & bring a few home but the rural roads are icy and I don't have a 4wd vehicle.

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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:20 PM
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43. Just an additional 5% of your taxes, ADDED to the DEBT.
Carried in part by our friends the Chinese.
About $250 per American this year.
(That much in movies would be a lot more entertaining.)

..by this stupid stupid administration.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 11:55 PM
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44. DLC sez: YAY!! Bush is gonna WIN this thing, damn the costs!
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 11:56 PM by gulfcoastliberal
C'mon, ya'll, rally behind the DLC's call to deamand VICTORY from the "inept"(DLC's term) W! Yay for the DLC and their wholehearted endorsement of W! Woo-hoo!

:sarcasm:
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:33 AM
Response to Reply #44
57. Liberal warriors...neocon warriors...
A distinction without a difference. Regardless of party affiliation, one imperialist is as bad as another.

Follow Cindy Sheehan's lead: no votes for pro-war politicians!
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jfkraus Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:45 AM
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45. What have we won in Iraq, if we win.
What if we "win" the war in Iraq? What exactly have we won?

OK, no more Saddam Hussein, I'll concede that. Was he worth over 2100 US soldiers and hundreds of billions of dollars? I think not.

What else have we won?

Regional stability? What about Syria, Iran and Afghanistan (which is going to hell again)? More people in the region hate us for invading and terrorist recruitment has sky rocketed because we gave them a cause. Again, I think not; no regional stability.

What else have we won?

Security? Iraq, it turns out, had no WMDs, no connection to 9/11, no connection Al Qaida, no terrorist camps. Once again, I think not; no more security than we had before. If anything we are more susceptible to attack AND natural disasters because our National Guard is in Iraq instead of here where they belong. If anything, we are actually less secure.

What have we won?

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Justice Is Comin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:06 AM
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46. If the foreign debt money Bush has sunk us in
up to our noses was ever called due and payable, it could throw us back to the 1929 depresssion. For the life of me, I don't know why we're not focusing the need to get out on the money that's going in.

I heard tonight only 12 of the 29 billion appropriated for reconstruction has been spent. What the hell does it take for people to realize this war is intentionally being strung out, a wrecking ball up side their head?
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NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 02:06 AM
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47. and bush's propaganda appears to be working for the moment
Mike Malloy said bush's public opinion polls were up 3 per cent. Mike seemed really down, depressed, and out of sorts tonight. If the idiots out there are buying bush's lies again, I can sure see why.

I guess nothing short of an all-out economic bust will show brain dead Americans that THEY HAVE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR GOVERNMENT.




Cher

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:52 PM
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51. Spilling the nation's blood and treasure on an unnecessary war.
This will have consequences for generations.
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terobert Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:05 PM
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52. Pulling Out
I say, we should pull out the troops. If we pay all the money, we would fall in severe debt. Even though we are there now. We would get nowhere . And if that happens or if we are successful, what are we getting out of it? Iraq won't change their way to democracy. If so, Iraq would fall in a major crisis due to Iraqis not agreeing with democratic views . But if there are some that want democracy, there will be a civil war in Iraq. Then we would have to get involved again. So what are we getting out of this?
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Wizard777 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:24 PM
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53. Mary Landreau is having problems getting money for NOLA
Congress is going over here disaster relief package with a fine tooth comb. Trying to deny provisions for industry advertisung to rebuild the economy. Mean while they are preparing an unrequested 50 billion package for Iraq. This is just treasonable. The republicans are denying americans to probvide for our enemy. Great shades of Prescott Bush.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 08:19 PM
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55. All part of "drowning government in a bathtub"...
Part of "drowning government in a bathtub"...

Many do keep in mind that the Repugs, and their masters, are doing what Grover Norquist said so long ago... shrinking it and then drowning it in a bathtub.

Look at what is happening... on one hand you have continual tax cuts for the rich, even today. Next you have deficits larger than ever, EVER!!! Add to this, money being given to their rich masters and their corporations. Next you have incompetence in every agency. This is not just cronies appointed who should not be. This is PURPSOSFUL destruction of the role of government as a positive force in people’s lives. Make the government ineffectual and hated, and you get the people to want to abolish it--drown it!! Divide and Conquer!!

GET IT!!

They are still, to this very day, carrying their ulterior agenda--destroy this democracy so the very rich and powerful can rule the roost. This is Fascism leading to Feudalism, with the lords of the land living in their gated communities with their private security exploiting and destroying every one else.

Any wonders that bloody revolutions happen? To take care of this, however, I suspect they are planning, or hoping, for a mass die off of the rabble... whether by some "plague', oil/energy shortages, war, war, war, or whatever!

What a Nation of suckers! Yet, with the continual destruction of our educational systems over the last 30 years, even this is planned.
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disndat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 11:53 PM
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56. The military Industrial complex
Everyday the Iraqi war goes on, Halliburton, Bushes make $$billions. Withdraw troops now or later, torture, the debates goes on and on, the gang in the White House makes $$billions. Even if impeached after '06, they will be crying all the way to the bank with U.S. tax money.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:34 AM
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58. Will Dems at last find the spine to stup rubberstamping this waste?
Or will it be another servile vote for war?
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-05 05:39 AM
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59. Tell me again FREEPERS how the GOP is conservative, ha ha ha...
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