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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:24 PM
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Bernie Kerrick says the shooting was completely justified.
Edited on Wed Dec-07-05 04:24 PM by Kingshakabobo
Well, that settles it. No need for an investigation.

On Faux News. I know, I know, I couldn't resist. I just wanted to hear how Fox spins it that Bush's policies are working. This mentally ill person MIGHT have been an Ayrab terrerist.

I wonder if he had a "heavy coat" and a "back-pack".
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reality based Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:28 PM
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1. Shoot everybody and let "God" sort out the terrists
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:32 PM
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2. his wife was part of the plot
A witness said that the man frantically ran down the aisle of the Boeing 757 and that a woman with him said he was mentally ill.

The marshals pursued and ordered the passenger to get on the ground, but the man did not comply and was shot when apparently reaching into the bag, Doyle said. Authorities did not immediately say whether any bomb was found.

Passenger Mary Gardner told WTVJ in Miami that the man ran down the aisle from the rear of the plane. "He was frantic, his arms flailing in the air," she said. She said a woman followed, shouting, "My husband! My husband!"

Gardner said she heard the woman say her husband was bipolar and had not had his medication.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&u=/ap/20051207/ap_on_re_us/airplane_shooting_14
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Kingshakabobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:48 PM
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5. My point is, remember London.
There were a lot of "eye-witnesses" saying things that turned out to be completely false and the police were admonished for not correcting the record because the fictional accounts furthered their cause.

For starters, the "I have a bomb" part seems fishy to me but, unlike Fox, I'm willing to keep an open mind till the investigation is over.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:36 PM
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3. Sounds like they were all into the 'white' stuff.
I knew a man in Ak. who shot some one in the face who knocked on his truck window and he bought his way our of it. He was into the stuff that makes you think every one is after you. He left AK poor and free the other guy left in a box. I do not feel safer with every one having a gun.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:53 PM
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7. Sorry but the air marshalls were just doing their job
As a flight attendant I feel deep sorrow for this passenger if in fact he was mentally ill, however that being said there have been hijackings that involved mentally ill passengers. If the victim had in fact been a passenger with a bomb and the whole plane went up the air marshals would be criticized for not doing there job. Due to the incompetency of this administration and not heeding the warnings prior to 911 we have become a society of shoot first ask questions later. Not into sarcasm in this situation. My husband flys reqularly in and out of Miami, he is on his way down right now, he's a pilot. It is sad when his daughter calls to find out if her dad is ok.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:47 PM
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4. On the loading bridge to the airplane-killed because he said he had bomb?
Does not make sense so far.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:50 PM
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6. So if he'd had a bomb
And it had been rigged to blow up if he was killed, we'd have a plane full of dead people. No matter how you look at it, this was just horrible procedure by that air marshall.
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:59 PM
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9. No matter how you look at it it was horrible procedure
The jetbridge is attached to the aircraft, if there was a bomb on the jet bridge that went off the aircraft would have gone up with it. If they had let him continue on the aircraft and he did have a bomb it would it have been more of a disaster. The aircraft was sitting there, the passengers were boarding which means that aircraft had already been fueled. Rather have a bomb go off on the jetbridge rather than aircraft. Actually would rather have no bomb.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:02 PM
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10. Yeah, let's forget about negotiations
What a concept.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 04:57 PM
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8. I don't get
Why exactly they shot hime dead. What if he was a terrorist. He's off the plane already. He's got the bag in his hand. Are the Air Marshalls taught to always shoot to kill? I mean if he was a terrorist it seems like it would have been useful to take him alive.
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teenagebambam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:06 PM
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11. I've never fired a gun....
...but I'm willing to bet it's not as easy as it looks on TV. I'm sure the first thought in an air marshall's mind is "shoot to stop", and whether the suspect lives or dies is really more of a matter of chance.

I feel very sorry for all concerned if the man was mentally ill - however, if he DID say he had a bomb, as is being reported, then I can't fault the air marshall for doing what he thought he needed to do (and what he was likely trained to do) to protect the plane.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-07-05 05:40 PM
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12. He kinda gets paid a lot of money
So I hope he is a better shot than I am. The question is "Is shooting dead possible bombers the American Air Marshall Policy". Cause it seems to me to be 9/10 thinking.
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