I'll bet you $100 that "shooting in Miami" = "shooting in London."

It's going to turn out that the guy didn't speak English well, and freaked when the Air Marshals threw down on him.

Just like that poor Brazilian bastard in London a while back.

Mark my words.

Redstone

I'm thinking -- from the little trickling out -- that we'll be partly right. *sigh*

Not exactly about not speaking English, but that he probably wouldn't have a bomb, wasn't a real threat, that something was not quite what it was being made out to be in the media.

THEN I heard bipolar, no bomb, not actually on the airplane.

It might just be that I've learned that whatever the press reports nowadays about terrorism is ALWAYS wrong.

He lived in Virginia and in DC before moving to the Orlando area. His wife appears to be Anglo by her maiden name. (I've researched him)

to say that just because he lived in a certain area that he sucessfully had English forced upon him. I have several good friends that have lived here in GA for decades that haven't had to learn English. Just don't assume.

And welcome to DU.

Redstone

I'm not saying anything is certain. But if redstone really wanted to bet $100, I would bet him.

You're the one being narrow-minded because who said anything about this guy not being born in this country?

LOL!

I hope you were trying to be funny.

Sorry - grammar police alert. :)

And I'll admit, I wasn't trying to be funny.

I don't always speak with the most perfect English, either - but I was a journalist for 12 years. I tend to notice it in the written word more than the spoken word.

I'm just teasing you and I hope you took it in good humor. :hi:

And I'm a freelancer now. Sometimes I just post messages without looking them over first. You know how it is, it's all about revision.

I can't speel... I mean spell.

Seriously, I have atrocious spelling.

A week? Two?

Did anything change because of it?

No.

I don't expect we'll be duscussing this guy in two weeks, nor be able to find anyone who remembers any details of the story.

Redstone

saying he had a bomb. He is American with Hispanic name. Perhaps his mental state made him unable to comprehend. They also said he was arguing with his wife prior to the incident when he stormed forward on the plane. Sounds like he just lost it and unfortunately got killed.

That's exactly what they're doing, showing us just how much everything changed after 9/11.

A form of suicide.

They wave it at the cops to get the cops to shoot them. This guy had no guarantee they'd pull the trigger.

Redstone

That's about the worst thing you can say short of "this is a hijack!"

just about the same as brandishing an actual weapon.

Consider me corrected, and in agreement with your post.

Redstone

or a mental break. Either way claiming a bomb on an airplane and then reaching in a bag creates a resonable scenario where you can be shot.

The London person was not acting abnormally.

This guy was.

Shame to loose life, the guy probably needed help but created a situation that cost him his life.

started running after him with drawn guns.

You really don't remember what happened in London? Proves my point about how soon we forget.

Redstone

he was acting normally. He of course REacted when chased.

This person was not just going about his business and then chased down and shot. He was shot as a REaction to his actions.

I agree with your point but please don't use you assumption of my thoughts on something to try to prove it.

Sorry I "assumed anything about your thoughts."

Redstone

The situation is this.

You can't get on a plane with explosives in a bag...well unless you can't rely on check on screening. The probability of a bag well equipped with explosive sufficient to take out everyone was extremely slim in the first place.

Air Marshalls TRAINED TO CONFRONT TERRORISTS (or at the very least in that mental mindset) quickly moved in to take care of this poor slob as if he was a terrorist in action...aka 911 style. There was no other "scenario" they were willing to consider.

The MO of this guy did not fit ANY reasonable 911 terrorist scenario...in other words...he paniced and even went off the plane. No others involved.

At that point he could have been jumped if any of these pieces of chit had any balls.

an international flight where screening could be less than airtight. You have air Marshall's training? Speaking from experience or shooting from the hip? Explosives expert?

The screening is not foolproof and scenarios exist where a person could get explosives on a plane.

And if was the guy did set off a home made peroxide based explosive that is hard to detect and blew the plane up on the ground whose fault would it be?

If you pull a toy gun on a cop in a public place you are going to end up dead. This is what this person did.

Terrible loss of life.

by marshall.

distrust/dislike of law enforcement? This case is quite a bit different, since you have many, many witnesses, in very close proximity, over I assume a somewhat prolonged time. Also, he was an American citizen from what I have heard which I assume means he spoke English.

And, no, "American Citizen" does not equal "speaks English well."

Redstone

You put it in quotes, thus implying that I wrote it.

"Also, he was an American citizen from what I have heard which I assume means he spoke English."

Redstone

Don't embellish my statements in an attempt to make your argument. That is disingenuous.

You win. Happy?

redstone

to make a legitimate counterpoint to yours.

I have a few friends named Rigoberto who were born in this country to Latino parents and they speak better English than Spanish. They go by Rigo, by the way.

who in a rage got off the plane saying he had a bomb.

His wife was saying he is "bipolar and hasn't been taking his meds"

He was warned according to news reports, and reached into his bag, was warned again, and continued and was shot.

Air Marshals did the right thing. Sad but true since they had nothing to go on except a guy saying he had a bomb, reaching into a bag and not obeying their commands to stop. That and a woman screaming he's bipolar, etc.

Sad situation, ended the only way it could given the circumstances.

they'd catch all the bombs before they got onto the airplanes?

Redstone

Can you provide the quote?

Plus, didn't the plane take off from Colombia?

be sure to write "sarcasm" in large letters for you next time.

Except that there won't be a next time, if you know what I mean and I suspect you do. Time to go change some settings; I have better things to do than argue with people who will insist that the sky is green if I say it's blue, just because it's me saying it's blue, and there are some of those here, though damn if I know what I did to piss them off. Nor do I care.

I'll argue ideas and opinions with anyone, but there's no way I'm going to argue with someone who wants a fight just because it's my post.

Redstone

you south of Lafayette, Louisiana!

The guy was screaming he had a bomb

he reached into his backpack

they warned him

he continued to reach

terrible situaution, but not a wrong call by the Marshalls

Time will tell. I was posting a generalized feeling, and we can't tell who's right until the dust settles.

Hey, got a bridge for me, too?

Redstone

that's exactly what I'm thinking. His bag must have been checked. Bipolar people better stop flying.

Edit -sp.

To say something?

This happened after the London shooting as well. Lots and lots of people here at DU (surprisingly enough) got all worked up and screamed and yelled that the Brazilian guy must have done something...

Redstone

Another version of suicide by cop. or he was in a hurry to get off a plane and started talking about a bomb to clear his exit. I'll wait for the facts before I draw conclusions. You may be right but you also may be very wrong - lets wait and see.