The guy that got shot on the plane... mentally ill, I gather.

1. Was he making a bad joke?

2. Or did he intentionally say it, knowing he'd be exterminated?

3. And will the family sue?


1. Maybe. Depends on his type of mental illness.

2. See question #1, but this seems far more likely. The world is turning into smelly fly-infested feces.

3. Likely. This is America. If I was sitting in my car and spilt some hot coffee on my goolies, I'd probably sue the company who made the coffee rather than fess up by saying "I shouldn't have been such a distracted clumsy hamfisted friggin' fool for frying my sperm machines for life" and then go home in order to change my pants. (meanwhile, if you download, the ISP and every other entity can be sued if they even feel even slightly infringed...)

by assassinating some innocent luggage.

The man's wife told them the man was delusional. This was suicide by cop, and the cops were only too happy to comply this time.

Oh, and the system in the coffee spilling incident worked exactly as it was supposed to. The award was reduced on appeal to barely cover medical expenses, and was less than the restaurant offered to settle for.

"the cops were only too happy to comply this time"

you know this how?

The cop chose to fight given the time and data available and the circumstances did not allow him even the remotely necessary period of time to psychoanalyze the guy.

To not fight would risk far worse to happen - or potentially happen.

If you claim to have a bomb and then try to attack someone with a gun yeah you are definately going to get shot.

It doesnt matter if he was delusional or not.

He stated he had a bomb. If you were on that plane would you be so quick to call down the cops? Walk in both pairs of shoes, then decide.

That lady? If this is true I am ever so encouraged about the 'system.'

received numerous complaints about the temperature of their coffee and that others had been burned previously. The whole "legal system is out of control" is absolute fiction designed to expand the power of the corporations and protect them even when they harm consumers. Please don't buy into the myth.

On edit: let add that for every person who "wins" a lawsuit, there are 10 others who never pursue a claim they have a right to. I speak as a person who has worked in the med mal field for 20 years, on the defense side.

I am the perfect prole. Thanks for the info. The mass media sure doesn't stress out about correcting it's misinformation be it high dollar law suits or Iraqi Al Queda ties.

from McDonald's. And she had to undergo numerous skin grafts and surgeries to repair the damage. AND that McDonald's had not only received complaints, but had been warned by health inspectors that their coffee was too hot.

which can be a wide range of a spectrum of symptoms.

It also sounds like they (he and wife were arguing)

she said he hadn't been taking his meds

He was obviously not rational

I would hope that the court would throw out a lawsuit based on this little info that I've gleaned from the Corporate News Media

Unbalanced, requiring medication that is.

Normal=cycle on a washing machine

but operate in the range of what is "acceptable" by society when they take their meds.

but yes, he was perhaps lucky until today

my stomach stank. My daughter is bi polar and I KNOW what she is capable of doing (to herself) not only when she is off her meds, but when she needs her meds CHANGED after a period time.

It's no picnic, people, for those of us who have lived with them.

and bipolar people don't tend to like to take meds because they like being on the manic side of bipolar because it gives them (usually) a natural high, and very little insight into the way they are behaving.

Most bipolar persons only seek treatment if they are in a depressive phase of their illness, and tend to be "forced" either by family, or the courts to seek treatment for manic phase.

(I admit I work in a hospital setting and see he worst case scenarios with bipolar disorder, my brother in law is bipolar, and I've had a lot of friends that were as well.)

But this is a really hard knock way to say, take your meds or this might happen to you.

how threatened we felt...*sigh*....

(shrugs) guess I'll go put on the bomb suit then.

Lets get this bullshit over with.

i'm sorry if the man was mentally ill, but i think the cop was right.

A bomb on a plane can kill many .....
A hand under a coat can come up with a gun ....

This is sad all the way around .... the govt. agents were doing what they thought was right
given what they knew and saw .... end of story.

Please DUers don't be knee jerk "it was the man's fault" bandwagon jumpers.

Bipolar people get killed or die because of actions caused by their illness all the time.
Sad but true.

If I was on that plane, I don't think I would want to wait for the tests to come back to see if the guy was sane.
The marshal did what he was trained to do. If the guy was unstable, the authorities should have been notified and accomodations should have been made, or his boarding should have been denied.

Because you're probably insane...you could be wasted.

I'm starting to really wonder about this site.

The wife stands up and says he's off his medication.
He's bipolar....looks like he's acting irratic.

Meanwhile...
err...
let me think now....

Ah....he got on the plane with explosives...isn't that interesting?

Hmm.....how exactly did that happen?
This is an interesting "fail safe" approach don't you think?
Nice little "fill in the holes" regarding our inability to screen carry on.

Let's try this again. Seems to me they didn't know how to screen the explosives on carry on...doesn't it....AH DUH@#$%%%^$$#@!

So....then of course we put the blame on the guy...right?
That makes all this inability to screen carry on all better now doesn't it?

TRUTH

A decision was made to waste the guy by these untrained piece of shit air marshalls....extremely quickly...and without logic.

There was NO consideration about the fact that there is a MINIMUM chance that A QUANTITY OF EXPLOSIVES GOT ON THE PLANE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Let's examine the logic.

1. He was acting threatening. (yeah so why didn't he blow up the plane so far....or wait till it was in the air to make 100 times the damage)
2. He had a bag. (yeah so what)
3. He threatened to blow up the plane. (I guess that's a great reason to get instantly wasted)
4. He was wasted...actually OUTSIDE the plane. (Hmmm...now that he's actually OFF the plane....maybe we could just jump him)

Properly trained marshalls that had any balls and brains would have quickly jumped him.
The mindset of wasting someone like this in the first place is what led to the problem.

If air marshals believe passengers can get past security with explosives in carry-on luggage, well...
:eyes:

You know, I didn't "wonder about this site" until I read this post. :eyes:

If the people here can be led so easily down this slippery slope of shit....than I do very much wonder.
Like lambs to the feeding trough.

The free thinkers that USED to be on this site would have jumped on this like white on rice....quickly pointing out the obvious embarrassment of this crap.

It's very simple and I'll lay it out step by step for you.

1. The marshalls were trained for an extremely narrow minded "911 scenario."....pumped up....yeah really pumped up and ready to go buddy.
2. There is a wide range of scenarios that won't fit the "911 scenario"....don't you think?
3. Shooting people doesn't make us any safer.
4. Underline #3 and make it font 800.
5. Effective screening makes us safer.

Funny...but actually very distressing to me...that we have evolved haven't we in these Bushco years...so much so that Limbaugh et al has sucked our reasoning right the fuck out of our heads.

Think real hard about how this type of thinking parallels Bushco.
This is a catastrophic embarrassment.

Isn't it a fact that the plane came to Miami from Equador? Do you have as much confidence in Equadorian security as you do have in US flight security? I don't.

in the first class cabin. It would have been appropriate considering the circumstances and he would be alive right now.

The person reportedly suffered from bi-polar disorder, and had not been taking his medication. I think that anyone who has dealt with people who suffer from this disorder know that while things are well (taking medication that works, no other use of substances, no big stressors) that they are generally normal, fun, productive people. When there are issues which cause them to experience the symptoms of their illness, they can range from slightly manic to very depressed to psychotic.

For a period of years, I was on the mental health end of training police (town, county, & state) on dealing with the mentally ill in the community. It's a tough enough row to hoe, being mentally ill, without handcuffs and humiliating or frightening experiences with the police. And being a cop is tough enough without not having some background on the best way to deal with mentally ill people who are not forensic cases.

The combination of circumstances involved in the killing of this man was tragic. Obviously the air marshalls do not have the same options as a cop in a community. I spoke to two ex-coworkers tonight (husband & wife); it is not hard to imagine a person who is generally high-functioning, but who is symptomatic due to not taking meds, behaving in this manner. Very, very sad.

Be careful...you could be hearing some real thick misinformation and cover up very soon.

I heard just tonite possibly a couple slip ups...

1. He was somehow coaxed to the front of the plane and/or he was running frantically in that direction anyway.

2. He was actually "questioned" at that point by the marshall(s)....and in this possibly impossible to unravel exchange....he darted OUT OF THE PLANE ONTO THE RUNWAY.

3. HE WAS THEN SHOT AT LEAST 6 TIMES BY ONE MARSHALL.

Shoot out at the OK Corral.

Except America ain't OK

If there's any real truth searching to come out of this...I'd like to see a real examination of why these guys are trained to kill so viciously.

Here's a link to a discussion of the McDonald's coffee case..

I had no idea of the facts of the case. Our media is such crap. Are reporters told not to report the facts? Are they told to slant the story to support the urban myth that is most popular? If anyone has not read the basics of the case so well presented in your linked article I encourage them to do so.
It confirms my decision to live for the eventual emasculation of our corptocracy. This power elite is in control man.

industry to put caps on lawsuits. You would not just be 'driving home to change your pants', you'd be going to the hospital where you'd be admitted to the burn unit to get skin grafts. Don't keep repeating the McDonald's story unless you have the facts.