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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 12:38 AM
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Repub Leaders Mock War Debate & Will Resist House Cleanup, after Abramoff



Thursday, December 8, 2005; Page A33

Time for a House-Cleaning


<snip>Scanlon's former partner, lobbyist Jack Abramoff, is at the center of separate investigations that could implicate still other legislators of both parties.

And in the midst of all these shenanigans, the House staged a mock debate about the legitimate issue of American troops in Iraq that was as uncouth as it was unproductive.

Alumni of the House -- men and women of both parties -- will tell you that they are appalled or nauseated by what has happened there. Last week, in a downtown restaurant, I ran into a former member of the GOP leadership who said, "I'm so thankful I got out when I did."

The place needs a good scrubbing, and that is what it would get if the leadership were somehow to embrace a set of rules changes put forward this week by several longtime members. But because the authors are Democrats -- and in some cases liberal as well -- the receptivity of the Republicans managing the House is not likely to be great.

The four members involved -- David Obey of Wisconsin, Barney Frank of Massachusetts, David Price of North Carolina and Tom Allen of Maine -- held a news conference on Monday at the Center for American Progress to introduce their 14-point plan. It is strong medicine -- a stiff enough dose of salts that even a watered-down version would mark a major change in the ethical environment of Capitol Hill.

On the lobbying front, for example, it would bar any reimbursed travel by a member of the House or its staff unless that person could certify in writing that no lobbyists were invited on the trip, no lobbyists attended the meetings, and whoever sponsored the gathering does not lobby or pay for lobbying.

It would also require former members who exercise their prerogative of visiting the floor of the House while it is in session to guarantee that the House is not debating a subject in which they have a financial interest and that the alumni will not advocate for or against any matter during the visit.

It cracks down on some of the favorite devices that Republicans have used to stifle genuine debate and deliberation in the House. To end the practice of lengthy roll calls -- some as long as three hours -- during which Republican arms are twisted to produce party-line victories, the rule would limit voting on any bill or amendment to 20 minutes, unless the leaders of both parties agreed to extend the time.

It would halt the spread of "earmarks," the spending targeted toward individual projects in members' districts, which are used to punish dissenters or reward reluctant supporters, thereby enforcing party discipline on bigger bills. And it would strike a further blow for budgetary sanity by requiring that reconciliation bills -- the end-of-the-line spending measures -- must be tailored to reduce the budget deficit, not increase it, except by a two-thirds vote of the House.

Finally, it would put teeth into two rules now often ignored by the majority party: It would require that printed copies of all bills be available at least 24 hours before they are called up for a vote, and it would insist that conference committees of the House and Senate actually meet and vote in open session, rather than having brief pro forma gatherings and then turning everything over to staff members or leadership aides to be negotiated in secret.<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/07/AR2005120701892.html

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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:24 AM
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1. Any thoughts???...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:34 AM
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2. Nancy Pelosi just ripped the Cabal a new one.
She's not backing off, supporting Murtha 150%.

I just watched a rerun of her press conference. She was on fire.

The Thuggery can't find a hole deep enough, at this point. :)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:39 AM
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3. Let them resist cleaning up their act. Not only are they corrupt,
they are arrogant. Yep, that's the way to win.
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 01:49 AM
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4. bipartisan--yeah the democrats are involved--
pushing to SOLVE the problem, as usual, while the Pukkkes try to obstruct them.

Broder, if there are 60 Pukkkes "involved" in the corruption, and 2 Dems who "are implicated", is it really fair to describe the corruption as both parties? Can we get some perspective here?

I'm sick of that "oh, everybody does it" talking point. Let's count heads and see.
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Peter Frank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-08-05 03:29 AM
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5. Thank you!
Not everybody does it.

Soon will come the day when those who haven't "done it" will rule the day.

I've never had a problem with genuine Conservatives, I'm an Independent. My problem is with the radical right (in power now) which has distorted & perverted it's way to the top in America.

PNAC Cheney deserves the most attention w/PNAC Wolfie right behind.


Bush is now a tired but loyal pawn. IMO he really believed what he was fed by these bastard ideologues. He was hand picked by Jim Baker -- because he was green & mailable. The old guard needed a fresh face & Bush (with his high powered connections) was it.



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