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ward919 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:15 PM
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The phony Iraqi Intelligence: Is this true? Was it Israeli deception?
According to EIR:

The essential facts are as follows: Two days before Powell's UN appearance, 10 Downing Street issued a 16-page paper, "Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception, and Intimidation," purportedly based on high-level British intelligence data. In fact, at least 11 of the 16 pages were lifted, verbatim, from an Israeli journal, Middle East Review of International Affairs, whose sole proprieter is Dr. Barry Rubin, an American-born Israeli citizen. The 11 pages were drawn from two articles, by Ibrahim al-Marashi and Robert Rabil, that appeared in the September 2002 edition of that journal.
Al-Marashi's article, a profile of Iraqi intelligence, was drawn, largely, from Iraqi government documents confiscated during the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Al-Marashi, in turn, heavily footnoted his article to other, earlier stories published in Rubin's obscure online journal, by Amazia Baram, the journal's deputy editor.

This was no bit of grammar school plagiarism. The public relations team that put together the Blair and Powell propaganda drivel were themselves linked to Rubin and his fellow Israeli pranksters, through Ahmed Chalabi's discredited and corrupt Iraqi National Congress (INC). Chalabi, University of Chicago protégé of the late utopian Albert Wohlstetter, then fugitive swindler, was adopted as the Iraqi oppositionist-of-choice by Israeli "X Committee" agent and chairman of the Defense Policy Board Richard Perle and his British Arab Bureau handler, Dr. Bernard Lewis, in the 1980s.

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3007neocon_hoax.html
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:24 PM
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1. Of course, dear. It's always the fault of the Jews.
I expect we should kill them all. That would make Bush an honest man, wouldn't it?
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:38 PM
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5. now THAT was a productive response...
...if not an especially useful one. Nobody has a cultural lock on ugly politics, self-serving intel manipulation, or pure, unadulterated ambition.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:25 PM
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2. Okay, how shall we look at this. The * Cabal were used as a bunch of
stooges by Israel? The * Cabal was fed bad information to further Israel's ends? The * Cabal were taken for a bunch of fools by a bigger bunch of thugs than they are? the * Cabal were used by Chalabi to further his ambitions in Iraq?

Anyway you shake it out, the * Cabal don't look like a bunch of rocket scientists, do they?

And when I say * Cabal, I include that moron Blair.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:31 PM
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3. The Nation reported this on 06/19
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030707&s=dreyfuss

More Missing Intelligence

<snip>

Not surprisingly, perhaps, it turns out that the same people are responsible for both. According to current and former US intelligence analysts and government officials, the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans funneled information, unchallenged, from Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who in turn passed it on to the White House, suggesting that Iraqis would welcome the American invaders. The Office of Special Plans is led by Abram Shulsky, a hawkish neoconservative ideologue who got his start in politics working alongside Elliott Abrams in Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's office in the 1970s. It was set up in fall 2001 as a two-man shop, but it burgeoned into an eighteen-member nerve center of the Pentagon's effort to distort intelligence about Iraq's WMDs and terrorist connections. A great deal of the bad information produced by Shulsky's office, which found its way into speeches by Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, came from Chalabi's INC. Since the INC itself was sustained by its neocon allies in Washington, including the shadow "Central Command" at the American Enterprise Institute, it stands as perhaps the ultimate example of circular reasoning.

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According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.



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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 09:35 PM
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4. This was an American PNAC show
and it had everything to do about empire building.

Israel cannot be blamed for the folly of Americans, too gullible to believe the bs they saw on TV about WMD.
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ward919 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 11:08 PM
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6. Sorry, but Israel must be held accountable for its role in this deception
A true "friend" would not deceive "friends" into violations of international law and costly acts of terrorism in which they kill and are killed.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 11:36 PM
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8. There is no evidence of Israel deceiving the US
The American people chose to be deceived by the former Governor of Texas.

Bush lied, people believed him, and people died!
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 11:14 PM
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7. Does call for investigation, however...
EIR should be not be taken at face value, but taken as a point of departure for further study. That said, Israel's intelligence/int'l political circles certainly wanted this war...
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-07-03 11:59 PM
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9. True or false
We are always told that the about to be invaded people will welcome us with open arms.

True or false -

We are always told that because the CIA always reports that the people will welcome us with open arms.

True or false -

There is no difference between Cheney and PNAC and Israel and the right wing Christian cabal members.

True or fase -

The difference between Cheney and PNAC and Israel and right wing cabal members can be explained.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 12:05 AM
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10. Let me take a crack at it...
We are always told that the about to be invaded people will welcome us with open arms.

True

We are always told that because the CIA always reports that the people will welcome us with open arms.

false (It was the Pentagon that said that)

There is no difference between Cheney and PNAC and Israel and the right wing Christian cabal members.

false (Cheney and PNAC are imperialists, the rightwing Christian cabal believe in Armageddon, and Israel has nothing in common with the first two).

The difference between Cheney and PNAC and Israel and right wing cabal members can be explained.

true
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-08-03 12:26 AM
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11. Yippee!
I just rewrote the answers and you got them all right! and right on!
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